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136rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:24 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
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SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, Neil has made me eat some crow, Kuba I had traded at last deadline for a 1st rounder. Dammit.
Now that, my friend, was a pipe dream.

Holy Dung, doesn't those two posts up there ^ make you want to cry? We gave up a 1st for Chris Campoli. Oh man...that hurts so much.
Well, it was San Jose's first, not ours and Comrie came along with Campoli with Deano Mac going the other way. But yeah, didn't exactly work out swimmingly... so far...

137rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:37 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:The question about Cammelleri that has to be answered is: is he elite? Because he's being paid elite level money on an elite level term. 6 million dollars times 5 years is too much IMO. Is he better than Kovalev? Yes, because he isn't past his expiration date, but is he worth that kind of long term risk? Not to me personally. I had an epiphany the other day: for a long time we've thought that 'good enough' was good enough, but it isn't - the teams that win have more than one ELITE player with the exception of Carolina who got lucky.

Would I prefer Cammelleri right now? Yes please. Would I prefer him the next time we attempt to land a big, elite fish? No. I like what I see from the young guys, now it's trying to get someone to take the 12 million dollar we have committed to Kovalev, Cheechoo and Leclaire.

I mean, for gosh sake, look at this:

Wasted:
Kovalev: 5 million
Cheechoo: 3 million
Leclaire: 3.8 million

Too much $$:
Kelly: 2.2 (good player, but the money is astounding)
Kuba: 3.7 (he's okay - but he's just okay, nothing more - and that's a lot of money for someone who's pretty good)

I'll leave out Spezza's 7 million right now, because frankly the jury's still out, but holy Dung, look at how much money is flapping in the breeze for us. 16 million dollars - almost 1/3 of our entire payroll on average players. Diddle me upside down. What the heck are we doing?

i always thought that cam would of been a good idea and to be honest i don't think he was offered 6million by murray. maybe 5. and i think he would of taken a shorter term(say 3-4 years) to come play in ottawa.
everybody knows montreal is a player killer town. gainey must of overpaid by a bundle(years and/or salary) to land him cuz that's how it works in MTL.
so whenever we wonder about what if and cam? i don't think we tried our hardest to get him. and we should of.
is he elite? i think he could of gotten 35-40 goals in ottawa. that's enough for me.

as for kovalev... he was holding out for MTL to offer more money. when they left him he panicked and picked the best $$$ that was close enough to MTL. i'm pretty sure his wife and kid still live here(MTL). i never liked that pick up btw, never.

cheechoo was a necessary evil to get michalek here and ditch heatley cuz THAT would of killed the team. so that was a good move.

i still like the leclaire trade. yes i cringe when he let's a softy in, but goalies have bad spells. he's shown he an do it, just hasn't gotten on a roll. we've gotten another year and half to make up our minds. let's not get crazy to fast and run him out of town.

question, if we can't trade choochoo, ca we waive him and leave him in the minors? if the right deal came along and we could grab an awesome player, melnyk might be alright with that move. we did put gerber down there...

second just thought i'd point out that kelly is on pace for a career year of 38 points.


players that we could move:

phillips(great trade value cuz he's got a year left, personally i think his best years are behind him)could be packaged with another player for a real PMD.

foligno(still young but personally i don't see him become more then a third line player that can add some secondary scoring once in a while, could be a piece ina bigger deal)

Shannon after his 4 goals his value might have been at the highest it was gonna be. again not worth much but could be part of a bigger deal.

Campoli, Lee still has value but only maybe as part of a bigger deal.

Picard more value i think then we are giving him credit for at the moment( i used to think he had none but he's convinced me he has)

choochoo trade or wave


volchenkov i think is #1 priority to re-sign in ottawa, especially if we trade phillips. if nothing happens before the trade deadline then we have to move him.

138rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:41 pm

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all and all i'm happy with murray but i have alot of things i'd expect going into the trade deadline this year that might tip the balance. don't lose key players for nothing, and build for the future.

139rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:45 pm

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more rumours from our friends at hockey 30:

Selon le USA Today, le défenseur des Maple Leafs de Toronto, Tomas Kaberle, sera assurément échangé avant la date limite des transactions (3 mars).
Le Tchèque aurait soumis une liste d'équipes à son directeur général, Brian Burke, qui dicte exactement les destinations où il veut poursuivre sa carrière.
Burke n'aura pas le choix de suivre les désir de Kaberle puisque ce dernier possède une clause de non-échange. Il est signé encore pour une année (jusqu'au terme de l'année 2011-2012) à un salaire de 4,25 M$.
Le directeur général des Leafs devrait demander un choix de première ronde en retour de son défenseur. Rappelons que Burke n'a plus aucun choix de première ronde pour les deux prochains repêchage, lui qui les a échangés pour aller chercher Phil Kessel.


basicaly, kaberle has given a list of teams he's willing to be traded to at the deadline....




Les Bruins veulent Whitney et Souray


Lundi, 11 Janvier 2010
Par HOCKEY30.com


Selon le Edmonton Journal, les Bruins de Boston sont grandement intéressés à l'attaquant des Hurricanes, Ray Whitney.
Le vétéran sera joueur autonome sans compensation en juillet prochain et sera assurément échangé avant la date limite des transactions.
Les Flyers de Philadelphie seraient aussi dans la course. Rappelons que l'ancien entraîneur de Whitney, Peter Laviolette, est maintenant à Philadelphie et connaît très bien son ancien joueur. De plus, ils ont gagné la Coupe Stanley ensemble en 2007.
Il est normal que plusieurs équipes s'intéressent à Whitney, un vrai joueur de premier trio et un métronome en matière de points. (77 points la saison dernière, 61 points en 66 matchs en 2007-2008, 83 points en 2006-2007).
Cette saison, il revendique 10 buts et 14 passes en 34 matchs.
Les Bruins s'intéresseraient aussi au défenseur des Oilers d'Edmonton, Sheldon Souray.
À suivre...



bruins are interested in witney and sourray...
add kovalchuck and they look to be interested in everyone. think they want choochoo? rumours of the week - Page 10 270956

140rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:51 pm

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Tough call Flo. I'm pretty sure Murray isn't BSing us - and he did actually offer Cam 5.5-6 million, but his terms was much shorter than Montreal's. He wanted to see what Cam could do on a 3-4 year term and Cam wanted the security of a longer contract. He didn't care that it was Montreal, when the frenzy hits, you want the bucks and the term.

I 100% believe that with all the money coming off Montreal's books, they trumped us and Toronto out of Cammy. Whatever, like I said it's probably better not to be tied down with another long, expensive contract. And if we do it, it should be an offer sheet on someone like Bogosian.

141rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:16 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:Tough call Flo. I'm pretty sure Murray isn't BSing us - and he did actually offer Cam 5.5-6 million, but his terms was much shorter than Montreal's. He wanted to see what Cam could do on a 3-4 year term and Cam wanted the security of a longer contract. He didn't care that it was Montreal, when the frenzy hits, you want the bucks and the term.

I 100% believe that with all the money coming off Montreal's books, they trumped us and Toronto out of Cammy. Whatever, like I said it's probably better not to be tied down with another long, expensive contract. And if we do it, it should be an offer sheet on someone like Bogosian.
i know you're a fan of bogosian but i'm no fan of offer sheets... best way to amutate the future. i think teams like chicago and LA can affoard to pull them off because they are full of prospects.
i wasn't aware murray had offered as much as montreal in terms of cash.
i don't see it as tied down when it's a player like cam. especially now that he's showing he doesn't need jarome. a guy like cam for 5 is better then a kovalev for 2 and then another type of player like kovalev for another 2.

i believe we have to show we're doing some rebuilding while signing a few good players that will keep us in the thick of things. if we go the full rebuild mode we won't ever get a top UFA to sign here.

142rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:34 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:i know you're a fan of bogosian but i'm no fan of offer sheets... best way to amutate the future. i think teams like chicago and LA can affoard to pull them off because they are full of prospects.
i wasn't aware murray had offered as much as montreal in terms of cash.
i don't see it as tied down when it's a player like cam. especially now that he's showing he doesn't need jarome. a guy like cam for 5 is better then a kovalev for 2 and then another type of player like kovalev for another 2.

i believe we have to show we're doing some rebuilding while signing a few good players that will keep us in the thick of things. if we go the full rebuild mode we won't ever get a top UFA to sign here.

What I'm thinking in terms of saving that money is buying a UFA that's not just good for 65 points and 35 goals, but a guy who is a legitimate 100 point guy who is a threat to steal the puck from you in the defensive zone and get up the ice to make a play in the offensive zone - or the kind of defenders. The kind of player who DOESN'T need a Jason Spezza or a Joe Thornton in order to dominate a game. Rick Nash, Hossa, Gaborik (if you can take that health risk), Neidermayer, Bogosian, Weber. The truly elite. They all come around for renegotiation sometime - and if you have cap space and they enter the market on July 1, that's when to plunk down your 8+ million. Why? Because they dominate every facet of the game - win games on their own.

The odds of us farming a guy through a draft pick who'll be as good as those guys is a stretch considering we're always drafting in the teens.

143rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:42 pm

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Spez and Lee for Phaneuf and Boyd?

144rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:44 pm

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Blazer wrote:Spez and Lee for Phaneuf and Boyd?

Sure.

145rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:48 pm

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i would also do Lee for Boyd. not sure how Calgary would feel about that.

146rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:48 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:i know you're a fan of bogosian but i'm no fan of offer sheets... best way to amutate the future. i think teams like chicago and LA can affoard to pull them off because they are full of prospects.
i wasn't aware murray had offered as much as montreal in terms of cash.
i don't see it as tied down when it's a player like cam. especially now that he's showing he doesn't need jarome. a guy like cam for 5 is better then a kovalev for 2 and then another type of player like kovalev for another 2.

i believe we have to show we're doing some rebuilding while signing a few good players that will keep us in the thick of things. if we go the full rebuild mode we won't ever get a top UFA to sign here.

What I'm thinking in terms of saving that money is buying a UFA that's not just good for 65 points and 35 goals, but a guy who is a legitimate 100 point guy who is a threat to steal the puck from you in the defensive zone and get up the ice to make a play in the offensive zone - or the kind of defenders. The kind of player who DOESN'T need a Jason Spezza or a Joe Thornton in order to dominate a game. Rick Nash, Hossa, Gaborik (if you can take that health risk), Neidermayer, Bogosian, Weber. The truly elite. They all come around for renegotiation sometime - and if you have cap space and they enter the market on July 1, that's when to plunk down your 8+ million. Why? Because they dominate every facet of the game - win games on their own.

The odds of us farming a guy through a draft pick who'll be as good as those guys is a stretch considering we're always drafting in the teens.

the other day i was mentoning that the only time i talked of trading spezza was part of a package for a re-sign kovalchuk. so i agree with you on that one, but i doubt those type of players come up often and it todays NHL they get traded at the deadline with a new contract in hand.

spezza for phaneuf.... don't know about that. i'd have reservations about if phaneuf wants to be here and if he's gonna cause problems.

147rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:53 pm

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Blazer wrote:Spez and Lee for Phaneuf and Boyd?

I see a strong possibility of this happening. Only I think Jokinen comes the other way. Not that I like Jokinen or whatever but it's a fit.

Spezza, Volchenkov and Cheechoo for

Phaneuf, Jokinen and Boyd

Depends on which GM wants the player from the other team more.

148rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:58 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Blazer wrote:Spez and Lee for Phaneuf and Boyd?

I see a strong possibility of this happening. Only I think Jokinen comes the other way. Not that I like Jokinen or whatever but it's a fit.

Spezza, Volchenkov and Cheechoo for

Phaneuf, Jokinen and Boyd

Depends on which GM wants the player from the other team more.

Bah...Jokinen, I hate that guy though...

149rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:59 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:
the other day i was mentoning that the only time i talked of trading spezza was part of a package for a re-sign kovalchuk. so i agree with you on that one, but i doubt those type of players come up often and it todays NHL they get traded at the deadline with a new contract in hand.

Pfft. Spezza for Kovalchuk? Where the heck do I sign? No takebacks either, once it's done you can kiss my arse.

150rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:01 pm

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Once we waive Cheechoo and dump Kovalev on some unlucky fool, we can drive a Brinks truck to Kovalchuk's house and buy him. That's how desperate I am for some real skill.

151rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:02 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
Blazer wrote:Spez and Lee for Phaneuf and Boyd?

I see a strong possibility of this happening. Only I think Jokinen comes the other way. Not that I like Jokinen or whatever but it's a fit.

Spezza, Volchenkov and Cheechoo for

Phaneuf, Jokinen and Boyd

Depends on which GM wants the player from the other team more.

Bah...Jokinen, I hate that guy though...

Man, I wish Volchy would agree to a "wink wink" deal to help us acquire another asset while signing with us in the offseason.

152rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:03 pm

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Blazer wrote:
Man, I wish Volchy would agree to a "wink wink" deal to help us acquire another asset while signing with us in the offseason.

Why not, you know? Keep your stuff here in Ottawa, go and try to win a Cup, come back here in the summer and wait until July 1 so we can buy you. I don't see any issues with that personally.

153rumours of the week - Page 10 Empty Re: rumours of the week Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:03 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Blazer wrote:
Man, I wish Volchy would agree to a "wink wink" deal to help us acquire another asset while signing with us in the offseason.

Why not, you know? Keep your stuff here in Ottawa, go and try to win a Cup, come back here in the summer and wait until July 1 so we can buy you. I don't see any issues with that personally.

Just that it never seems to happen....

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