Filatov to Ottawa?

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Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:
With this, Filatov could be expendable given that they have tons of scoring, some pretty decent forwards in their system, and he's not a hitchcock player.

I'd expect Kelly, Shannon, and Foligno's names to come up for sure, with Lee, Picard, Volchenkov. So the question is what do the Sens give up for an elite talent who could solve our scoring issues going forward and be part of the core, but is thus far in his career unrpoven.

To Columbus: Lee, Kelly, SJS 2nd
To Ottawa: Filatov, defensive prospect, Conditional 1st (if Filatov doesn't come back from the KHL)

???

I think this could get very, very complicated. I think the first thing you have to do if you're in Murray's shoes is explain to Howson exactly why he shouldn't expect Wiercioch + back for Filatov.

If he allows you to continue, then you try to convince him that Foligno and a 1st is good enough for a guy you're having some issues with. He'll most likely want Picard as well - and he'll be willing to give you Russell, so it becomes:

To Columbus:
Foligno
1st Round Pick
Picard

To Ottawa:
Filatov
Russell
3rd Round Pick

If you're lucky enough to get Howson on a good day.

seriously i think we may be kidding ourselves. i don't think it's far fetched that howson asks for weircioch or even cowan... grated he'd have to fork over more the filatov, but i can tell you he'd try to get one of those guys. cowan is a big NO NO. but weircioch... you have to give a little to get a little.
i like what you're proposing but i doubt they'd want to flip us russell. foligno i can live with, but not our first.
to columbus:
foligno
picard or lee

to ottawa:
filatov
2nd rounder(maybe 3rd)
(let's see what that second rounder can hold for us)

Id give up Wiercoich for Filatov, no doubt.

Straight up. No need for picks.

N4L wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:
With this, Filatov could be expendable given that they have tons of scoring, some pretty decent forwards in their system, and he's not a hitchcock player.

I'd expect Kelly, Shannon, and Foligno's names to come up for sure, with Lee, Picard, Volchenkov. So the question is what do the Sens give up for an elite talent who could solve our scoring issues going forward and be part of the core, but is thus far in his career unrpoven.

To Columbus: Lee, Kelly, SJS 2nd
To Ottawa: Filatov, defensive prospect, Conditional 1st (if Filatov doesn't come back from the KHL)

???

I think this could get very, very complicated. I think the first thing you have to do if you're in Murray's shoes is explain to Howson exactly why he shouldn't expect Wiercioch + back for Filatov.

If he allows you to continue, then you try to convince him that Foligno and a 1st is good enough for a guy you're having some issues with. He'll most likely want Picard as well - and he'll be willing to give you Russell, so it becomes:

To Columbus:
Foligno
1st Round Pick
Picard

To Ottawa:
Filatov
Russell
3rd Round Pick

If you're lucky enough to get Howson on a good day.

seriously i think we may be kidding ourselves. i don't think it's far fetched that howson asks for weircioch or even cowan... grated he'd have to fork over more the filatov, but i can tell you he'd try to get one of those guys. cowan is a big NO NO. but weircioch... you have to give a little to get a little.
i like what you're proposing but i doubt they'd want to flip us russell. foligno i can live with, but not our first.
to columbus:
foligno
picard or lee

to ottawa:
filatov
2nd rounder(maybe 3rd)
(let's see what that second rounder can hold for us)

Id give up Wiercoich for Filatov, no doubt.

would they take him straight up? i doubt it...

Depends on their situation with Filatov.

Flo The Action wrote:
seriously i think we may be kidding ourselves. i don't think it's far fetched that howson asks for weircioch or even cowan... grated he'd have to fork over more the filatov, but i can tell you he'd try to get one of those guys. cowan is a big NO NO. but weircioch... you have to give a little to get a little.
i like what you're proposing but i doubt they'd want to flip us russell. foligno i can live with, but not our first.
to columbus:
foligno
picard or lee

to ottawa:
filatov
2nd rounder(maybe 3rd)
(let's see what that second rounder can hold for us)

Id give up Wiercoich for Filatov, no doubt.[/quote]
would they take him straight up? i doubt it...[/quote]

Yeah, I agree for the most part. I only put Russell in there because he was being scratched a fair bit and I thought Murray might ask for him as the AHL/bonus piece.

For the record, I know a lot of people will not agree, but I would not trade Wiercioch right now. He's looking like the most offensive of all 3 of our Big 3 and he's got room to fill out and be absolutely dominant.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:
seriously i think we may be kidding ourselves. i don't think it's far fetched that howson asks for weircioch or even cowan... grated he'd have to fork over more the filatov, but i can tell you he'd try to get one of those guys. cowan is a big NO NO. but weircioch... you have to give a little to get a little.
i like what you're proposing but i doubt they'd want to flip us russell. foligno i can live with, but not our first.
to columbus:
foligno
picard or lee

to ottawa:
filatov
2nd rounder(maybe 3rd)
(let's see what that second rounder can hold for us)

Id give up Wiercoich for Filatov, no doubt.

would they take him straight up? i doubt it...[/quote]

Yeah, I agree for the most part. I only put Russell in there because he was being scratched a fair bit and I thought Murray might ask for him as the AHL/bonus piece.

For the record, I know a lot of people will not agree, but I would not trade Wiercioch right now. He's looking like the most offensive of all 3 of our Big 3 and he's got room to fill out and be absolutely dominant.[/quote]

I don't want to trade Wiercioch either, particularly if he's an additional piece on top of something else to get Filatov. If he's the principle, or even a one-for-one, then you have to consider it I think.

Well a bit of an twitter update:

BlueJacketsBuzz


Don't do a lot of rumors but getting a ton of info about the Blue Jackets talking to Ottawa, Montreal & Tampa Bay. Sens seems the most solid

M_Christopher wrote:Well a bit of an twitter update:

BlueJacketsBuzz


Don't do a lot of rumors but getting a ton of info about the Blue Jackets talking to Ottawa, Montreal & Tampa Bay. Sens seems the most solid

oh wouldn't that be good news!

Flo The Action wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:Well a bit of an twitter update:

BlueJacketsBuzz


Don't do a lot of rumors but getting a ton of info about the Blue Jackets talking to Ottawa, Montreal & Tampa Bay. Sens seems the most solid

oh wouldn't that be good news!

Tears of joy good! Especially if we can rid ourselves of a guy who is increasingly looking like he doesn't fit into the teams plans in Lee.

Let's hope something comes of this other than tears and broken hearts if it doesn't happen.

Mark, keep us posted!

I'd expect Lee or Campoli to be going the other way so I don't think Wiercioch or Cowen are really on the table. I'd also include one of Foligno, Ruutu, Shannon, Kelly, Cheechoo, or Winchester and nothing higher than the SJ 2nd rd pick.

Columbus is weak at the defensive-forward position and needs someone to be their 1-2 defencemen. Lee would easily fit in to Columbus' top-four right away (especially with Klesla injured).

To Ottawa: Filatov, Blunden/Methot, conditional 1st & 2nd
To Columbus: Kelly, Lee, SJS 2nd

I would maybe throw in a prospect like O'Brien or Hennessey

Please don't trade Kelly

Kovalfie wrote:I'd expect Lee or Campoli to be going the other way so I don't think Wiercioch or Cowen are really on the table. I'd also include one of Foligno, Ruutu, Shannon, Kelly, Cheechoo, or Winchester and nothing higher than the SJ 2nd rd pick.

Columbus is weak at the defensive-forward position and needs someone to be their 1-2 defencemen. Lee would easily fit in to Columbus' top-four right away (especially with Klesla injured).

To Ottawa: Filatov, Blunden/Methot, conditional 1st & 2nd
To Columbus: Kelly, Lee, SJS 2nd

I would maybe throw in a prospect like O'Brien or Hennessey

I have to tell you that there's no shot at that trade going down. Filatov is worth more than that. If you're right, I'll be stunned and impressed, but if that's all it took to get him, Murray would have done it last week.

What are the chances that Filatov won't stay in the KHL ?

People on HF say trade Karlsson but I think that's silly, creating a big hole on defence to just to patch another.

Hoags wrote:What are the chances that Filatov won't stay in the KHL ?

People on HF say trade Karlsson but I think that's silly, creating a big hole on defence to just to patch another.

Trade....Karlsson? For who, Filatov? People over there are crazy.

Filatov is an asset right now, nothing more, to the Jackets. He's no longer even a prospect for them because a loan to the KHL is pretty much confirmation that he's no longer a Blue Jacket.

His market value should be equal to Radulov.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Filatov is an asset right now, nothing more, to the Jackets. He's no longer even a prospect for them because a loan to the KHL is pretty much confirmation that he's no longer a Blue Jacket.

His market value should be equal to Radulov.

That low eh? You may be right. While he's "on loan" his contracr rights still stick with Columbus. I guess there's not guarantee he comes back though. What a mistake to let him go back...