Heatley's press conference

RobbyJ wrote:How did today make anything worse ? I don't get it, everyone keeps saying it's worse, please explain.

I think just because some low ball offers will come in now. Murray will laugh them off, so it really is a neutral situation/interview. You are right, status quo.

Hockeyhero22000 wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:How did today make anything worse ? I don't get it, everyone keeps saying it's worse, please explain.

he made it worse by confirming that he is truely all about himself and not the team as he said by saying the diminished role is his biggest problem it is showing he is not a team player despite saying he is

And this is worse than all the assumptions that were out there all summer ?

before he said anything that confirmed he is a dillhole it was just kinda assumed and could have been written off as personal issues and not thinking that he was all about himself but by talking today and confirming it teams have to now look and see knowing he definitely is about himself he now makes it more difficult with concrete evidence that all he cares about is that he gets his

RobbyJ wrote:

Hockeyhero22000 wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:How did today make anything worse ? I don't get it, everyone keeps saying it's worse, please explain.

he made it worse by confirming that he is truely all about himself and not the team as he said by saying the diminished role is his biggest problem it is showing he is not a team player despite saying he is

And this is worse than all the assumptions that were out there all summer ?

had he not confirmed he is not a team player other GMs could have seen it as he isnt all about his own stats but a more internal problem but know confirmation of being a dillhole makes it harder to make the deal because teams win the cup teams succeed individualism usually hurts a team

Sorry Hemlock. I just saw you other post saying that Cheechoo is growing on you. I agree with all your points. Cheechoo was the hardest working Sharks player in the playoffs, ever quits on a play and I actually think he would be a good player for us.

But, this is Heatley and if his value is low, so is Cheechoo's for different reasons. They do not equate to being the centerpieces of the same deal. He can be the 2nd player, but not the first in a trade coming back to Ottawa for Heater.

Cheechoo and their 1st the next two years.

Problem is, they need to move more salary.

asq2 wrote:

Dawg's Wife wrote:One last question I wish was asked.

Danny said it wasn't about Edmonton, but that he wanted Options. So does that mean if one of the teams on his 'list' of acceptable trade teams had worked out a deal, but there was only one, that he still would have refused?

No, it means that Heatley has no interest in playing for Edmonton but doesn't have the capacity to come up with a crowd-pleasing but logical excuse.

May not be a crowd pleaser, but here's exactly what should have come out of Heatley's mouth: "I simply don't want to. I'm a Calgary boy and I've grown up cheering against that team. You guys in Edmonton can hate me if you want, but the reality is that I could never truly give my heart to that team. I can play for virtually anyone and give them everything I have, but Edmonton simply isn't an option for me."

Maybe throw in a little delayed joke: "...plus its cold as Diddle up there"

They may not like it, but at least they would see his pov (even if its not really how he feels - its pretty much the most blatant justification imaginable)

cas wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Dawg's Wife wrote:One last question I wish was asked.

Danny said it wasn't about Edmonton, but that he wanted Options. So does that mean if one of the teams on his 'list' of acceptable trade teams had worked out a deal, but there was only one, that he still would have refused?

No, it means that Heatley has no interest in playing for Edmonton but doesn't have the capacity to come up with a crowd-pleasing but logical excuse.

May not be a crowd pleaser, but here's exactly what should have come out of Heatley's mouth: "I simply don't want to. I'm a Calgary boy and I've grown up cheering against that team. You guys in Edmonton can hate me if you want, but the reality is that I could never truly give my heart to that team. I can play for virtually anyone and give them everything I have, but Edmonton simply isn't an option for me."

Maybe throw in a little delayed joke: "...plus its cold as Diddle up there"

They may not like it, but at least they would see his pov (even if its not really how he feels - its pretty much the most blatant justification imaginable)

If he said that, we surely would have heard from Mr. Robert Nilsson. While Nilsson didn't spend to much of his childhood in Calgary, we all know that if you want to have a happy wife, you shouldn't live in edmonton

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

Are you suggesting that Murray thinks this team right now could compete for a cup? Not with our defensive corps. We are a few years away from contending imo. Why keep Heatley around during that, to potentially taint our youth?

FireOnIce wrote:Sorry Hemlock. I just saw you other post saying that Cheechoo is growing on you. I agree with all your points. Cheechoo was the hardest working Sharks player in the playoffs, ever quits on a play and I actually think he would be a good player for us.

But, this is Heatley and if his value is low, so is Cheechoo's for different reasons. They do not equate to being the centerpieces of the same deal. He can be the 2nd player, but not the first in a trade coming back to Ottawa for Heater.

Well he'd be 1A along with a Vlasic or Erhoff as the 1B. Then sprinkle on a prospect or two.

hemlock wrote:

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

Are you suggesting that Murray thinks this team right now could compete for a cup? Not with our defensive corps. We are a few years away from contending imo. Why keep Heatley around during that, to potentially taint our youth?

Thats a non-issue. It simply doesn't happen like that. Bending to his will would "taint our youth" in a FAR more drastic way than forcing him to camp where his voice will be worth dick.

As for being a contender: Yeah...we are. We're up there with the big 4 in the East. Our D-corps is vastly improved over last season and our goaltending is 1000 times stronger than it was going into last season. With that offense leading the way; a couple 1A, 1B non-sieve tenders; and a defense with a pretty solid #2,3,4 and our future #1 plus some young mid-level talent; we should be quite capable of competing with any team in this league.

We also have a very nice mix of youth and veteran presence.

The potential for this team ranges from lottery team to Cup finalist. Personally, I'm erring on the side of optimism.

hemlock wrote:

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

Are you suggesting that Murray thinks this team right now could compete for a cup? Not with our defensive corps. We are a few years away from contending imo. Why keep Heatley around during that, to potentially taint our youth?

Oh...and even if we're really not Cup contenders, we're more of a contender with Heatley than we are with Cheechoo. Plain and simple.

Moreover, here are the titles of the first two articles on the Sens website, post-presser:

Heatley: 'I'll honour my contract'

Sens, Heatley can still be a good fit

...

hemlock wrote:

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

Are you suggesting that Murray thinks this team right now could compete for a cup? Not with our defensive corps. We are a few years away from contending imo. Why keep Heatley around during that, to potentially taint our youth?

Hemlock, I'm not sure if it you that keeps saying it or if it is a bunch of posters, but I will jump down your throat just for the fun of it here.

I've said this many times om here: Heatley tainting our youth is not going to happen. We have Alfie, Phillips, Fisher, Neil, Donovan, maybe Volchenkov, maybe even Kovalev and Spezza looks to be ready as well from recent interviews to keep the youth on the right path. Say what you want about our past issues - true or not - but character players learn from past mistakes and will not let them repeat.

Giving into Heatley sends more of a message in my opinion to the youth and there is nothing the leaders can do about that as management is above them.

Prepare for Heatley on opening night and LOVE IT! He will play hard, the Olympics will see to that. Murray willl find the opportune time to trade Heatley and bring maximum return. (I should make that my new signature as I have been saying them long enough as well).

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

Are you suggesting that Murray thinks this team right now could compete for a cup? Not with our defensive corps. We are a few years away from contending imo. Why keep Heatley around during that, to potentially taint our youth?

Oh...and even if we're really not Cup contenders, we're more of a contender with Heatley than we are with Cheechoo. Plain and simple.

We aren't a contender with either guy, plain and simple, so what difference does it make? It now looks like Heatley has driven the final nail into the coffin containing a suberb package for him. Murray may now be forced to take what he can get, hence my post on the Cheechoo+Erhoff+prospects deal.

Do you honestly believe it's reasonable to keep him here the entire year or perhaps even beyond that, if no deal of equal value or greater presents itself?

With all due respects, I've stopped wondering who is a contender or not in August. Last year I put Carolina in 10-12th place in the East and when I analyze their roster from last year, there's nothing in there that scares me. If Leclaire plays at his capabilities, anything is possible.

FireOnIce wrote:

hemlock wrote:

cas wrote:

hemlock wrote:Somewhere, Doug Wilson is smiling ear to ear. He now knows that his Dung lowball offer is the best Murray can hope for now. My bet is that within a week or so, we will be seeing a deal involving Cheechoo to the Sens.

I'm going to refute that.

-Bryan Murray is a dinosaur.
-He wants a Cup.
-He knows he likely won't have a better roster to work with in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.
-He knows he's one bad move, one bad season, one missed playoff or playoff tank job away from getting canned.
-Ottawa's best chance at a Cup is with Heatley on the roster. Him being a distraction is a far better risk to take than to pwn him off and get trinkets in return; sending a clear message to the current roster that he doesn't trust them to handle this themsleves.

Dany Heatley will be an Ottawa Senator this season, if only for the reason that Bryan Murray needs him to be.

Are you suggesting that Murray thinks this team right now could compete for a cup? Not with our defensive corps. We are a few years away from contending imo. Why keep Heatley around during that, to potentially taint our youth?

Hemlock, I'm not sure if it you that keeps saying it or if it is a bunch of posters, but I will jump down your throat just for the fun of it here.

I've said this many times om here: Heatley tainting our youth is not going to happen. We have Alfie, Phillips, Fisher, Neil, Donovan, maybe Volchenkov, maybe even Kovalev and Spezza looks to be ready as well from recent interviews to keep the youth on the right path. Say what you want about our past issues - true or not - but character players learn from past mistakes and will not let them repeat.

Giving into Heatley sends more of a message in my opinion to the youth and there is nothing the leaders can do about that as management is above them.

Prepare for Heatley on opening night and LOVE IT! He will play hard, the Olympics will see to that. Murray willl find the opportune time to trade Heatley and bring maximum return. (I should make that my new signature as I have been saying them long enough as well).

Trading Heatley isn't exactly giving in to him. It's now what's best for the team, not just Heatley. I agree that he'll come in and compete, until the Olympics, in fact I was one of the first to bring that point up when we discussed that remote (it seemed like it at the time) possibility that he could be back. After the Oylmpics, what happens is anyones guess. Personally, I think he'll make nice with the media and play only as hard as he has to until returning from Vancouver, or perhaps even the deadline, but after that, if he isn't moved, I don't think we'll see the same motivated player, but rather the selfish, lazy player that finished last season.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you for Murray getting "maximum" return, but maximum is relative, and what was the maximum return for Heatley 4 days ago, is probably more than it is today.

I'm fully prepared for Heatley to come back in October, but I sure as hell don't have to love it. Oh and about your signature: I hope for your sake that he isn't traded before opening night because you're going to get called out for it in a large way I suspect.