Summer Dany Heatley hits

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:
They absolutely need to do something now. Sorry Edmonton, but I really don't think you're getting Dany, so you need to do something and quick.

Definitely. Where's Jaromir Jagr? I thought he was hot to trot to play for the Oilers?

Probably waiting to see if he'll get paid to stay in Russia this season. I would think that if he has a hunch that getting paid will be an issue, he'll be back in Pittsburgh, on a sweetheart of a deal for a year or two.

SensGirl11 wrote:I really hate these NTC's and NMC's. This won't be the last problem they have with these. They should be eliminated. Anyone is fair game, period.

Alfie? Volchenkov? These are the guys that actually deserve one. They want to raise their families here and not have to uproot them without having a say.

I can see the NTC, the NMC are ridiculous.

SensGirl11 wrote:I really hate these NTC's and NMC's. This won't be the last problem they have with these. They should be eliminated. Anyone is fair game, period.

I would hope that in the future, Murray avoids them at all costs. Push hard for a limited one if you have too, but a blanket NTC/NMC really handcuffs a team, as we've seen twice now.

well I guess the NMC/NTC's will have to be revisited when they hammer out the next CBA agreement, and you can be damn sure this Heatley situation will be the prime example of why they are garbage, especially when the player demands the trade.

SensGirl11 wrote:
They absolutely need to do something now. Sorry Edmonton, but I really don't think you're getting Dany, so you need to do something and quick.

With all the trouble he's caused in Ottawa, I think Heatley will pick "the lesser of two evils" and go to Edmonton.

I think he's stubbornly holding out thinking Murray can still land a deal with one of the teams on his list, unless there is serious ongoing talks with other teams him and his agents are privy to.

But once he gets it through his thick skull that it's not happening I think he'll go. I just can't see him coming back if he has any choice in the matter, it's even worse now as he probably blames BM and the Sens for not getting a trade done earlier (with the Rangers for example).

As for Edmonton, can't really blame them too much for desperately trying to improve their team.

Zoolander wrote:

Probably waiting to see if he'll get paid to stay in Russia this season. I would think that if he has a hunch that getting paid will be an issue, he'll be back in Pittsburgh, on a sweetheart of a deal for a year or two.

Nah...they don't have the cap space. That's really frightening though. :****:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:I really hate these NTC's and NMC's. This won't be the last problem they have with these. They should be eliminated. Anyone is fair game, period.

Alfie? Volchenkov? These are the guys that actually deserve one. They want to raise their families here and not have to uproot them without having a say.

I can see the NTC, the NMC are ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure the NMC was initially introduced to the hockey world in McCabe's last TML contract.

SensFan71 wrote:well I guess the NMC/NTC's will have to be revisited when they hammer out the next CBA agreement, and you can be damn sure this Heatley situation will be the prime example of why they are garbage, especially when the player demands the trade.

Absolutely. The NHL will want a player's NMC/NTC to be void if he asks (in writing) to be traded. The NHLPA will fight to the death against it.

Strike?

beedub wrote:I don't think Heatley will play at all this year. I think the effects of the car accident in Atlanta are wreaking havoc on his psyche right now, rendering him incapable of accepting criticism and having an overwhelming desire to completely avoid confrontation. PTSD can devastate a person

Either that, or he's just a selfish prick. I'll take door number 2 Monty!

Zoolander wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:I really hate these NTC's and NMC's. This won't be the last problem they have with these. They should be eliminated. Anyone is fair game, period.

I would hope that in the future, Murray avoids them at all costs. Push hard for a limited one if you have too, but a blanket NTC/NMC really handcuffs a team, as we've seen twice now.

Yeah man, limited NTC is fine. Submit a list of 10 teams at the beginning of each year and if we're going to move you, then it'll be to a team on that list.

I can buy that personally.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Zoolander wrote:

Probably waiting to see if he'll get paid to stay in Russia this season. I would think that if he has a hunch that getting paid will be an issue, he'll be back in Pittsburgh, on a sweetheart of a deal for a year or two.

Nah...they don't have the cap space. That's really frightening though. :****:

I'm sure they would find a way. He's on record as saying he'd play for the Pens for dirt cheap, as he owes Mario.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well I guess the NMC/NTC's will have to be revisited when they hammer out the next CBA agreement, and you can be damn sure this Heatley situation will be the prime example of why they are garbage, especially when the player demands the trade.

Absolutely. The NHL will want a player's NMC/NTC to be void if he asks (in writing) to be traded. The NHLPA will fight to the death against it.

Strike?

I could see the two sides fighting tooth and nail over it, will it lead to strike, possibly, but either way, it will be one nasty battle.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Yeah man, limited NTC is fine. Submit a list of 10 teams at the beginning of each year and if we're going to move you, then it'll be to a team on that list.

I can buy that personally.

In my opinion, if a player requests a trade then the NTC should be null and void.

Once word leaks that a player wants out and his list of teams is public, those teams will try and get him dirt cheap, or dump their overpaid underachievers in the process.

The team trying to deal a disgruntled player with a list of teams has no bargaining position, which is what happened with Heatley. It wouldn't surprise me if Glen Sather offered Redden (and his ridiculous contract) for Heatley.

SpezDispenser wrote:

beedub wrote:I don't think Heatley will play at all this year. I think the effects of the car accident in Atlanta are wreaking havoc on his psyche right now, rendering him incapable of accepting criticism and having an overwhelming desire to completely avoid confrontation. PTSD can devastate a person

Really? 4 years later it rears it's ugly head?

I'm not disagreeing, what he went through must have been hell, but do you really think he's suffering from that?

I think it may have started to manifest itself almost immediately. Ergo the trade request to the Thrashers.

Paranoia is can be a big component. If you think about it, I'd say 90% of the critisism has always been directed at Spezza and Heatley was always heralded as the benchmark of this team.

When some of the veneer started to get peeled away in the latter half of this season, paranoia, avoidance and all sort of psychosis' started to appear.

When someone avoids calls from one of the most respected players in the game, and a friend on top of it all in Alfie, it kind of started me thinking.

Maybe this is more of a medical issue than an attitude problem. Now, I am by no means any type of physician, but how can someone do such a complete nosedive in such a short period of time. In effect, I bet he's never dealt with the issues caused by this car accident.

I have seen first hand though, the effects of PTSD on a close family member. After returning from a tour of duty in Kosovo, he completely disassociated and alienated himself from his family, including a young son. He actually became violent, resulting in Military Police intervention.

Sadly he to this day denies any problems.

PTSD can linger for years, if not the entirety of a person's life.

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well I guess the NMC/NTC's will have to be revisited when they hammer out the next CBA agreement, and you can be damn sure this Heatley situation will be the prime example of why they are garbage, especially when the player demands the trade.

Absolutely. The NHL will want a player's NMC/NTC to be void if he asks (in writing) to be traded. The NHLPA will fight to the death against it.

Strike?

I could see the two sides fighting tooth and nail over it, will it lead to strike, possibly, but either way, it will be one nasty battle.

I really think the league will push somehow to limit the 2nd contract. Effectively controlling a player's salary his first six years in the league. That to me makes sense from the Owner's standpoint. There are way too many kids being overpaid after 3 years in the league.

Interesting Beedub. Until Heatley comes out of hiding, this is a viable option for his behavior.

That or he has Dung for brains.

SpezDispenser wrote:Interesting Beedub. Until Heatley comes out of hiding, this is a viable option for his behavior.

That or he has Dung for brains.

I'm not expert on PTSD, but he seemed pretty damn hunky dory between the time he arrived in Ottawa and the day he morphed into a hard C.

This is a guy who penned a book called Dynamite Dominant Dany Heatley. He's all about himself and nothing but.

Edit: I had the title incorrect. I think the sequel should be called Richard Cranium Dany Heatley.

SpezDispenser wrote:Interesting Beedub. Until Heatley comes out of hiding, this is a viable option for his behavior.

That or he has Dung for brains.

I will vote for the latter Bob, he has Dung for Brains.