EJ Hradek and NHL Live Reporting Dany Heatley has requested a trade

SpezDispenser wrote:

Urkie wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Man, Edmonton fans want him so bad. :^^^^: Gonna cost, they just don't grasp it yet.

I know, I've been reading over on hfboards and they want him real bad. Lets hope their GM feels the same way and will do whatever it takes to land him.

They're excited and they've come to terms with it being Gilbert, Eberle and a 1st. At least. cool)

PKC wrote:I still think the perfect trade for the Senators is Tom Gilbert, Andrew Cogliano, Jordan Eberle and Edmonton's first round pick (10th overall) for Heatley + possibly a spare piece to either balance the trade, balance the roster spaces, or balance salary.

In one offseason we'll have added a guy who could very well put up 45-60 points on the backend, a second line center with strong, strong two-way play capable of putting up upwards of 50+ points, a mid-level prospect forward with potentially ridiculous amounts of skill (although, from what I read about him, he is quite a question mark in terms of the impact he'll have at the NHL level) and we'll add two of Kulikov, OEL, Kadri, Kassian, Schroeder.

Our team is instantly better. Perhaps even more well-rounded than the team that went to the Cup Finals in 07.

asq2 wrote:
It's my deluded sense of Heatley's worth from reading our proposals talking here, but meh.

The 10th over-all is a nice pick, but it's not the same as a pick like LA's. Jordan Eberle's potential is a smaller, worse Heatley. And for whatever reason, I've never been a huge Gilbert fan.

In terms of finding a mentor for Karlsson, I'd rather nab Visnovsky. The problem there is that he's older.

marakh wrote:Did you guys follow Edmonton the last weeks of the season? If Sam Gagner becomes a Senator, I'll take Penner and a 1st with him.
Penner, Gagner and 10th overall, I do it. I think Sam Gagner gets 70 points next season.

Dustin Penner, Sam Gagner and we draft OEL/Cowen + Scott Glennie/Kadri/Kassian/Josefson. Would rock my socks.

asq2 wrote:If we're talking Edmonton, I want Gagner.

asq2 wrote:

cash wrote:60 pages? You guys are nuts :^^^^:

Heater SD's got 172 posts today. :^^^^:

PKC wrote:

cash wrote:

asq2 wrote:What I hate is how public this is. I think that gives leverage to other teams.

I think thats a myth and a fallacy. There's actually no logic in that theory. Any attempt at using it against Murray is countered with "Fine, I'm not trading him."
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The only way this hurts us is if the timing is off. I'm of the belief that Murray purposely leaked this story and chose the timing. I'm concerned, however, that the timing allows for too much time to pass before we can even make a trade.

If I understand things correctly, than we shouldn't be able to make a move until one week past the end of the Finals. That means that over 10 days will have past from the time this went public to the earliest time we can move him.

Is that just enough time to weed out the bs and narrow the field to a serious 3-4 teams? I suspect thats what Murray was hoping (assuming he actually did leak it) and I'm hopeful it works, but I worry that it gives teams too much time to second guess...

Murray knows whats up, though and is more than capable of biding his time juuuust right

+1

That line of thinking is wrong unfortunately. Think about it. The only way Dany Heatley comes on to the bidding market, is if he demands a trade: 1. because he's a superstar in the league and 2. because he has a NMC.

I mean, just think about it logically.

Besides, if Murray was on the phone with a GM looking for a piece of the puzzle to be added to a potential trade, and the GM refused, saying "well, you know, everyone knows he wanted a trade" then Murray says "well, you know, Diddle you. I'll flip my 50 goal man to someone else who, idiot."

In a situation like this, when you're the team with the best player in the trade, you can't lose leverage. You just can't. It's not possible and it doesn't make any sense.

asq2 wrote:If we're talking Edmonton, I want Gagner.

asq2 wrote:

cash wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Well taking Penner back is a serious possibility if there are salary issues. If you put him in a similar situation like he had in Anahiem with Alfi and Spezza, you might get some decent production out of him.

That would be totally dependant on The Sens getting back the 10th overall, Eberle, Gagne, and perhaps Gilbert. Maybe send Lee or Picard the other way.

Exactly and I have to say that the idea of a Foligno-Fisher-Penner line excites me...

Penner's big, but he's not exactly Lucic. I'm going to take it from the Oiler fans I've talked to who can't stand him, and say that we shouldn't be charging after him either.

IMHO Sometimes, it's not just a case of needing a change of scenery.

cash wrote:

marakh wrote:Did you guys follow Edmonton the last weeks of the season? If Sam Gagner becomes a Senator, I'll take Penner and a 1st with him.
Penner, Gagner and 10th overall, I do it. I think Sam Gagner gets 70 points next season.

Dustin Penner, Sam Gagner and we draft OEL/Cowen + Scott Glennie/Kadri/Kassian/Josefson. Would rock my socks.

No kidding man... Gagner has Character (not the capital). The guy may never be on that ellite level, but he's a player I would love to have on my team.

I'm also quite willing to take on Penner's salary. He's got more in him than he's been showing in Edmonton. He could come here and not have the pressure of being the guy that signed that contract...ASQ is right, though, that there are many "ifs" that would make me weary of it...

Neely4Life wrote:

asq2 wrote:If we're talking Edmonton, I want Gagner.

I like Cogliano a little better, but one of him or Gagne with Eberele is the start of any talks with that 10th overall.

Not the biggest Gilbert fan either... If we need to take salary it could very well be Vivsovsky.

cash wrote:Really? Interesting. I really thought he is a prime reclamation project..? What is it? Is it his poor defensive play? Because that can be worked on...

Or is it just poor decision making? Because there is nothing about a hockey player that ppisses me off more than a player that makes idiotic decisions on the ice.

cash wrote:

cash wrote:

marakh wrote:Did you guys follow Edmonton the last weeks of the season? If Sam Gagner becomes a Senator, I'll take Penner and a 1st with him.
Penner, Gagner and 10th overall, I do it. I think Sam Gagner gets 70 points next season.

Dustin Penner, Sam Gagner and we draft OEL/Cowen + Scott Glennie/Kadri/Kassian/Josefson. Would rock my socks.

No kidding man... Gagner has Character (not the capital). The guy may never be on that ellite level, but he's a player I would love to have on my team.

I'm also quite willing to take on Penner's salary. He's got more in him than he's been showing in Edmonton. He could come here and not have the pressure of being the guy that signed that contract...ASQ is right, though, that there are many "ifs" that would make me weary of it...

Thats supposed to say "note"...