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What's next for the Chicago Blackhawks?

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davetherave


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Prager, you're right on with that one...if the Hawks and Havlat don't come to terms, it would not surprise me if the Canadiens offered Martin Havlat some serious money.

They were pretty happy with another Czech ex-Hawk...Robert Lang. And as you say, there's some history with Jacques Martin.

Who knows, maybe there's a deal to be made...

Anyway, Tallon's made it clear that while signing Marty would be a good thing, the team's prepared to adjust if he doesn't.

PS Shabbs> regarding Hossa, Sports Illustrated reports today a deal for him to stay a Wing is agreed on in principle. More details as they become available.

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Yeah, saw the Hossa reports...

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shabbs wrote:Yeah, saw the Hossa reports...

Maybe he jumps to the Hawks and helps them win it all next year. We will then have to call him the Cup Whore.

19What's next for the Chicago Blackhawks? - Page 2 Empty Re: What's next for the Chicago Blackhawks? Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:05 pm

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Hossa has become an amazing player, but I would be very surprised to see him as a Blackhawk. The Detroit deal sounds credible,as does the source--SI's Michael Farber.

There are a number of other options being discussed in Chicago...

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asq2 wrote:I have a suspicion that the Campbell contract may become a bit of an albatross when it comes to re-signing Keith, Kane and Toews (and Lord knows all three are far more important to the 'Hawks).

They're may have to move him, but he's not exactly improving his stock. They may have to add incentives.

Although last season was pretty hard to stomach, I'm glad we didn't match/one-up the 'Hawks in regards to #51.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. They better move him now before teams know that they're in trouble next summer. But if they move him now, they lose a major cog on their back end...

And round and round we go. In the end, I'm glad we lost that bidding war as well.

21What's next for the Chicago Blackhawks? - Page 2 Empty Re: What's next for the Chicago Blackhawks? Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:08 pm

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504Heater wrote:
asq2 wrote:I have a suspicion that the Campbell contract may become a bit of an albatross when it comes to re-signing Keith, Kane and Toews (and Lord knows all three are far more important to the 'Hawks).

They're may have to move him, but he's not exactly improving his stock. They may have to add incentives.

Although last season was pretty hard to stomach, I'm glad we didn't match/one-up the 'Hawks in regards to #51.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. They better move him now before teams know that they're in trouble next summer. But if they move him now, they lose a major cog on their back end...

And round and round we go. In the end, I'm glad we lost that bidding war as well.

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If the Blackhawks ever decide to shop Campbell--and why would they, as he was an essential part of their success this year--the phone will ring off the hook.

Not an issue in Chicago. Period.

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Hey, don't look at me.

25.5 million invested in 6 players the year after next. Assuming Kane, Toews and Keith all make 6 million, that's 44 million on 9 players. 11 more players and the Hawks will have ~ 10 million dollars. I understand that they might sacrifice Byfuglien and maybe even guys like Bolland and/or Versteeg, but you must confess that there's something that's gonna have to give in Chi-town? Shrug

And for the record Dave, I like the Hawks, I think they might be my 2nd favourite team (although, I only really root for one team as most can understand), so it's not with any maliciousness that I suggest this, it just seems to be the way it's gonna be. Unless you know something we don't?

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davetherave wrote:BeatingaDeadHorse

If the Blackhawks ever decide to shop Campbell--and why would they, as he was an essential part of their success this year--the phone will ring off the hook.

Not an issue in Chicago. Period.

I agree with the emoticon, but I disagree in that I think the market for him would be less than you claim. Especially with the cap going down.

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Heater, ASQ> please go back and read The Chicago Tribune article at the top of the thread.

It makes Blackhawks Management's position clear:

Tallon & Co. have several key free agents and will need to balance immediate and long-range needs with an eye on the salary cap.

Once the situation with the pending UFAs is resolved, Chicago's executive team will turn their attention to what's needed to take the team from one that went to the Conference Finals to one that can win the Stanley Cup.

Considering how quickly the Hawks went from missing the playoffs to being one of the NHL's Final Four, it's fair to say these guys are pretty good at what they do.

We shall how the situation evolves shortly...and yes, Heater, I do know some things I'm not telling yet.

PS to ASQ...there are no albatrosses in Chicago...just Blackhawks.

And considering the Hawks had one million in paid attendance this year, plus seven playoff games at home, and the building sold out every night, Brian Campbell was more than a wise investment.

Campbell's better now than he was in San Jose, or Buffalo, and should continue to improve under Quenneville and Scotty Bowman's rigourous tutelage. The kid's 29--Rafalski and Niedermayer are 34. He's got time.

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davetherave wrote:Hossa has become an amazing player, but I would be very surprised to see him as a Blackhawk. The Detroit deal sounds credible,as does the source--SI's Michael Farber.

There are a number of other options being discussed in Chicago...

I guess I should have inserted a smiley in my post, as it seems your sarcasm/facetiousness detectors are down.

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ESPN's Chicago correspondent Al Cimaglia offers his perspective on the decisions facing Blackhawks management regarding pending UFAs and RFAs:

Free-agent decisions key to Stanley Cup

Bolland, Versteeg among keys

June 1, 2009,Al Cimaglia/ESPN CHICAGO

Although the Blackhawks still have a lot to prove, management can now move forward as though there were a three-year window to win the Stanley Cup.

Three Hawks stars -- forward Jonathan Toews, forward Patrick Kane and defenseman Duncan Keith -- all have contracts that expire after next season. In addition, the upcoming July 1 free-agent period, as well as the pending free-agent status of some current players, is also figuring into Blackhawks management's plans for next season. All of that on top of identifying the players that can help the team reach the Stanley Cup finals.

Some Chicago players have already been identified as key members of the squad, if the length and hefty salary amounts of their current contracts are any indication. Forward Patrick Sharp is paid as though he were a big part of the future, as is defenseman Brent Seabrook. Goaltender Cristobal Huet and winger Dustin Byfuglien are also being paid as though they were main components of the Hawks' future success. Huet is under contract for another three seasons, and so is Sharp. Byfuglien and Seabrook are under contract for two more years.

At this point, Huet and Byfuglien might not have proved to be untouchable Blackhawks. Huet, who has three years left on a four-year, $22.5 million deal, will be very difficult to trade. Byfuglien, who will earn $3 million per year for the next two seasons, is being paid for potential. Although Byfuglien did show what he is capable of in the latter part of the season, he wound up with only 31 points for the regular season. Right now, both Byfuglien and Huet have to be considered overpaid. Byfuglien might dazzle other clubs with his potential as a power forward, so he would be easier to deal if management so desired.

The next of many decisions facing Blackhawks management would be whether to identify restricted free agent (RFA) forwards Dave Bolland and Kris Versteeg as key components of any Stanley Cup finals team. After those questions are answered, then restricted free agent defenseman Cam Barker's Hawks future needs to be evaluated.

Decisions on the contracts for these restricted free agents will influence the amount of salary-cap space available for unrestricted free agents and other players.

Bolland and Versteeg in particular, are in line for significant raises. Bolland was about an $845,000 salary cap hit last season, while Versteeg earned slightly more than $490,000.

The Blackhawks will have less than four weeks to negotiate with Bolland, Versteeg and Barker without the added pressure of other teams being involved. After July 1, other teams can have a crack at all three players.

Most likely, the Blackhawks will soon make a qualifying offer to the trio. If the Blackhawks didn't "qualify" their restricted free agents, they would automatically become unrestricted free agents (UFA) on July 1.

Barker has some different issues as to whether the Hawks will want to include him as a mainstay for the future. Last season, he accounted for slightly over a $2.7 million salary-cap hit, which included bonuses. That same amount would be reduced next season due to the reinstatement of the bonus cushion under the NHL's collective bargaining agreement. So most likely Barker will be less of a salary-cap burden next season.

It is difficult to give up a young defenseman, especially one that was a third overall draft pick. Possibly if Barker is not in the Hawks' plans to be a top-four defender, they might feel paying $2,000,000 or more for a number-five defenseman is too steep. Barker has made strides and has some offensive talent, but the emergence of defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson could make him expendable.
That's another tough choice for the Blackhawks as Barker is effective in steering the power play.

There are also some unrestricted free agents available that could fill in as a number-five or -six defenseman, but they wouldn't have the offensive skill of Barker. Bolland and Versteeg are an easier choice to become Blackhawk core players than Barker.

For certain, the Hawks would at least offer a qualifying deal to Bolland, Versteeg and Barker, as they would not want them to become unrestricted free agents. If that were the case, they could then go anywhere to play without compensation coming back to Chicago.

In the case of unrestricted free agents, they can negotiate with another club as soon as July 1. Their current team is not eligible for any compensation, and this will be the situation for veteran winger Martin Havlat and goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin, if they are not re-signed before then by Chicago.

The NHL entry draft begins June 26 in Montreal. Right afterward, restricted free agents can negotiate with other franchises if they haven't accepted a contract offer from their current club. The proposed contract offer from another team to a restricted free agent is called an offer sheet.

If another team wanted to extend an offer sheet to Bolland, Vertseeg or Barker, the Hawks would be able to match it and retain their services. The players would then stay Chicago players for at least one year before they would be eligible to be traded.

Once an offer sheet from another club is accepted by the restricted free agent, his original team can only decide to match the proposed offer within seven days.

For example, the Blackhawks could not decide to negotiate a different contract; they would be bound to the proposed offer sheet's salary amount and terms.

The NHL collective bargaining agreement is about 600 pages long and can get complicated, and I don't pretend to be an expert. My effort now is to enable readers to understand only the important elements affecting Blackhawks decision-makers by including some pertinent restricted free agent and unrestricted free agent factors.

The compensation from the restricted free agent's new club back to the original team is significant.

Draft picks have never been more important for a team's success as they currently are in the salary-cap age. By drafting well, a team can get young impact players for a relatively low cost. Sacrificing draft picks can be a tricky proposal, and that is a major reason offer sheets have not become more prevalent around the NHL.

An opportunistic franchise could target a player on a team that has salary-cap issues. The result would be either to retain the services of the restricted free agent or force the original team to pay more than they would have wanted. It is a risky game to just make a high offer trying to squeeze another team into heightened salary-cap dilemma.

In my view, it isn't prudent for another franchise to pick a fight they won't be able to win. Sometimes, it is obvious an offer sheet will be matched. The result then would be only to make an enemy, mostly likely one with a long memory.

If I were another general manager, Hawks owner Rocky Wirtz and Hawks general manager Dale Tallon would not be my first choice to play hardball against.

Business is business, so there could be a couple of teams interested in Blackhawks restricted free agents and possibly willing to extend them an offer sheet.

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Tim Sassone, who has covered the Blackhawks and the NHL since 1988, writing for the Chicago Daily Tribune, is also the Hawks correspondent for The Hockey News. This is the first of his three-part series on the Blackhawks looking ahead to 2009-10:

Hawks already have most key players signed for next year
By Tim Sassone | Chicago Daily Herald, June 2, 2009

Editor's note: This is the first of a three-part series on the future of the Blackhawks, with today's focus on the core of the team.

Blackhawks general manager Dale Tallon insists he will do whatever it takes to keep the core of one of the most entertaining teams in the NHL together.

Signing potential unrestricted free agent Martin Havlat for reasonable terms will be the first indicator of how well Tallon can solve this puzzle.

Getting restricted free agents Dave Bolland, Kris Versteeg, Cam Barker, Ben Eager and Troy Brouwer re-signed could be another tricky task.

The good news is 11 regulars already are locked up for next season, including five of the most important players on the team in Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Sharp and Patrick Kane, as well as Brian Campbell, Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, Cristobal Huet and Adam Burish.

"This is the best group of guys I've ever played with so I hope it all works out and we can stay together," Kane said.

His head coach understands that won't be easy.

"It's going to be a challenge," coach Joel Quenneville said," but I think if you look at every team they all have issues with the economics changed the way they have, and who knows what they're going to be going forward. You manage it as best you can. I'm sure there are going to be decisions with our group, but that makes it fun as well as challenging.

"How much change, that is going to transpire over the course summer, but we have a lot of nice pieces in our system that hopefully have something to say in the fall. There's always a surprise or two along the way, but I think the key pieces we expect to be in place shouldn't change too much."

One player not going anywhere is Campbell, who is signed for seven more years.

Campbell gave the Hawks exactly the kind of season they expected when they signed him as a free agent last July to an eight-year deal worth more than $56 million, a franchise record.

Campbell wasn't brought in to be a lockdown defender, so it shouldn't have been a surprise when he wasn't on the ice late in games. He had 52 points in 82 games to rank 10th among all NHL defensemen, and he helped dictate the style the Hawks played with his ability to move the puck out of danger.

"I thought he was great in the playoffs and got better as the season went on," Tallon said. "For his first year after signing a big contract, I thought he had a very good year."

Campbell admitted he struggled with the weight of the contract ($7.1 million a season) on his shoulders.

"I had some ups and downs, but it was a fun process," Campbell said. "It was a challenge. As much as you say it doesn't affect you, the contract kind of hangs over your head a little bit. It takes time to adjust to it.

"At the end of the season, I felt really at home here in Chicago. I felt that's how I was supposed to play, and how I do play."

Campbell contends big contracts can make players try to do too much to live up to the money.

"I wasn't going to change how I played," Campbell said. "It was a bit of an adjustment, but I felt really good and comfortable in the playoffs with the puck and skating. That's the way I want to start and have a more consistent year next year."

Toews believes the core group is going to face some considerable challenges going forward after a 104-point regular season and winning two rounds in the playoffs.

"We were able to fly under the radar last year and surprise some people," Toews said. "This year it got a little tougher, and it's going to be the same next year.

"When you go up against teams like Detroit and San Jose during the regular season, I think every team plays better. I think we're definitely going to be considered one of those high-end teams where other players raise their level when they play against us."


Locked up with the Blackhawks
Here's a glance at the salaries of players under contract with the Blackhawks for next season and beyond:
2009-10 Signed PlayerCap hitThrough
Brian Campbell$7.1 mil2016
Cristobal Huet$5.62 mil2012
Patrick Sharp$3.9 mil2012
Patrick Kane*$3.72 mil2010
Brent Seabrook$3.5 mil2011
Dustin Byfuglien$3 mil2011
Jonathan Toews*$3 mil2010
Brent Sopel$2.4 mil2011
Duncan Keith$1.9 mil2010
Andrew Ladd$1.55 mil2010
Adam Burish$713,0002010
Niklas Hjalmarsson$643,0002010
* Includes potential bonuses

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davetherave wrote:
Considering how quickly the Hawks went from missing the playoffs to being one of the NHL's Final Four, it's fair to say these guys are pretty good at what they do.

Don't hang your hat on that dave. There are plenty of examples of teams getting to the final four and even the Finals that didn't belong there or did very poorly for a few seasons after that. I'm not saying that it means the Hawks are one of those teams it's just not a very good indicator.

Tampa, Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Ottawa (Year after final 4 in 2003 and then after the finals in 2007), Anaheim (The year after both finals appearances in 2003 and 2007)

All those teams struggled.


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lot of question marks with the Hawks, if not now, then soon. Havlat is due a new contract, Khabibulin (who backstopped them to the final 4) is a UFA, and well, is anyone thinking Huet can do the same as Bulin did? I don't think so personally. If the Hawks can hold it together, they could make another good run, but Huet is a downgrade from Bulin.

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Clutch, SF71, we'll talk sometime after the Draft & UFA season.

The Blackhawks Brain Trust (AKA Tallon and Company) are pretty good at what they do.

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davetherave wrote:Clutch, SF71, we'll talk sometime after the Draft & UFA season.

The Blackhawks Brain Trust (AKA Tallon and Company) are pretty good at what they do.

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you saying we are going to eat our words? Laughing3 that could be true, will be one interesting off season for sure.

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I was just saying that a final four finish does not mean anything. I won't change my oppinion regardless of how the Hawks perform next season.


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Cap'n Clutch wrote:
davetherave wrote:
Considering how quickly the Hawks went from missing the playoffs to being one of the NHL's Final Four, it's fair to say these guys are pretty good at what they do.

Don't hang your hat on that dave. There are plenty of examples of teams getting to the final four and even the Finals that didn't belong there or did very poorly for a few seasons after that. I'm not saying that it means the Hawks are one of those teams it's just not a very good indicator.

Tampa, Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Ottawa (Year after final 4 in 2003 and then after the finals in 2007), Anaheim (The year after both finals appearances in 2003 and 2007)

All those teams struggled.

Gee, Clutch, nothing like taking my statement out of context, eh...which was:

Once the situation with the pending UFAs is resolved, Chicago's executive team will turn their attention to what's needed to take the team from one that went to the Conference Finals to one that can win the Stanley Cup.

Considering how quickly the Hawks went from missing the playoffs to being one of the NHL's Final Four, it's fair to say these guys are pretty good at what they do
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Anyway, as far as 'hanging my hat', the only place I hang my hat--a very cool black baseball cap with an embroidered Blackhawks Indian head on the front, and the crossed tomahawks on the back--is on my head.

And as you know, I don't put much stock in predictions...they're fun, but that's all.
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