Vermette to NAS for Hamhuis?

I honestly dont think there is much of a difference between Spezza playing in the middle of those 2 and Vermette taking into account how good Vermette is on the other side of the puck.

I'm not convinced that Spezza is as good as his past stats show, never have been. I still think he is a product of being Alfi's lacky.

Neely4Life wrote:I honestly dont think there is much of a difference between Spezza playing in the middle of those 2 and Vermette taking into account how good Vermette is on the other side of the puck.

I'm not convinced that Spezza is as good as his past stats show, never have been. I still think he is a product of being Alfi's lacky.

perfect time for this smilie lol, thank you heater for adding the spezza smilie

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Jordo wrote:In the case that Spezza was moved, I'd be all for retaining Vermette and trying him between Heatley and Alfie. This gives us 7 mil to spend elsewhere, if you're confident that Vermette can so easily move up and play on the 1st (which I'm not so sure of).

If he plays centre between those guys without the tag of having to be the "defensive conscience" of the line, he will succeed.

Alfie plays that role so I wouldn't worry about that tag for Vermette.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Jordo wrote:In the case that Spezza was moved, I'd be all for retaining Vermette and trying him between Heatley and Alfie. This gives us 7 mil to spend elsewhere, if you're confident that Vermette can so easily move up and play on the 1st (which I'm not so sure of).

If he plays centre between those guys without the tag of having to be the "defensive conscience" of the line, he will succeed.

Alfie plays that role so I wouldn't worry about that tag for Vermette.

Alfie does all the work, Spezza/Heater reap the benefits, with Campoli rushing from the point, makes that line much more dangerous.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Jordo wrote:In the case that Spezza was moved, I'd be all for retaining Vermette and trying him between Heatley and Alfie. This gives us 7 mil to spend elsewhere, if you're confident that Vermette can so easily move up and play on the 1st (which I'm not so sure of).

If he plays centre between those guys without the tag of having to be the "defensive conscience" of the line, he will succeed.

Alfie plays that role so I wouldn't worry about that tag for Vermette.

Then it should be a done deal.

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe Vermette will approach Spezzas offensive numbers, but overall I think he would be nice fit and possibly make that line better and Heatley more engaged.

I wouldn't mind seeing that combo actually. They tried Fisher up there briefly so why not give Vermette a try.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing that combo actually. They tried Fisher up there briefly so why not give Vermette a try.

Because Vermette is not making 6 million bucks.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing that combo actually. They tried Fisher up there briefly so why not give Vermette a try.

Because Vermette is not making 6 million bucks.

Neither is Fisher ($4.2 mil) or Spezza ($7 mil). The Sens don't have a $6 mil centre, so I can't imagine who you're referring to. And yes, the salary cap number (and not the year to year salary) is still the only one that matters.

It is true - the only figure I look at is the cap hit. It doesn't matter how m,uch they are getting paid year to year, the only number that affects the team is the cap hit.

Dash wrote:It is true - the only figure I look at is the cap hit. It doesn't matter how m,uch they are getting paid year to year, the only number that affects the team is the cap hit.

Absolutely. Otherwise, why trade any of the Big 4 forwards? Fisher's being paid 6, Heatley 10, Spezza 8. That means that all of them will now start descending - to the point where some of them are flat out bargains by the end of their contract.

Sadly, it doesn't affect their cap hits.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing that combo actually. They tried Fisher up there briefly so why not give Vermette a try.

Because Vermette is not making 6 million bucks.

Neither is Fisher ($4.2 mil) or Spezza ($7 mil). The Sens don't have a $6 mil centre, so I can't imagine who you're referring to. And yes, the salary cap number (and not the year to year salary) is still the only one that matters.

Yes. My bad (as usual) Fisher isn't making 6 million, that's my imagination. What is this "cap" you speak of?

I'm cold and confused. Where are my meds?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing that combo actually. They tried Fisher up there briefly so why not give Vermette a try.

Because Vermette is not making 6 million bucks.

Neither is Fisher ($4.2 mil) or Spezza ($7 mil). The Sens don't have a $6 mil centre, so I can't imagine who you're referring to. And yes, the salary cap number (and not the year to year salary) is still the only one that matters.

Yes. My bad (as usual) Fisher isn't making 6 million, that's my imagination. What is this "cap" you speak of?

I'm cold and confused. Where are my meds?

Just trying to save you from yourself, man. The $6 mil figure is absolutely meaningless in cap terms. Fisher is a cap hit of $4.2 for the next for years, and that's the only number that matters.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Yes. My bad (as usual) Fisher isn't making 6 million, that's my imagination. What is this "cap" you speak of?

I'm cold and confused. Where are my meds?

I find this to be the absolute best:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT

504Heater wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Yes. My bad (as usual) Fisher isn't making 6 million, that's my imagination. What is this "cap" you speak of?

I'm cold and confused. Where are my meds?

I find this to be the absolute best:

[url=http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT[/quote[/url]]

If I knew what a cap is, I would tell you that I'm partial to nhlnumbers.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

504Heater wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Yes. My bad (as usual) Fisher isn't making 6 million, that's my imagination. What is this "cap" you speak of?

I'm cold and confused. Where are my meds?

I find this to be the absolute best:

[url=http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT[/quote[/url]]

If I knew what a cap is, I would tell you that I'm partial to nhlnumbers.

NHLnumbers is always really behind on the money figures and the status of contracts (1-way, 2-way). I know NHLSCAP's association with HB makes people nervous, but Chip McCleary -- who works for the NHL and manages the cap system for the league -- is the guy who runs it, and he ran it independent of HB for years. There's no one alive right now who know more about the current cap system than McCleary.

Is that his name? He goes by Irish Blues too, right?

504Heater wrote:Is that his name? He goes by Irish Blues too, right?

I really don't know. It would make sense, tho'. He's Irish, and I'll just go ahead and guess that he might be a Blues fan.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

504Heater wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Yes. My bad (as usual) Fisher isn't making 6 million, that's my imagination. What is this "cap" you speak of?

I'm cold and confused. Where are my meds?

I find this to be the absolute best:

[url=http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT[/quote[/url]]

If I knew what a cap is, I would tell you that I'm partial to nhlnumbers.

Rooney's one of the better cap guys out there, but the simple definition is:

A team has 56.7 million as of now to use at their disposal. The cap goes up or down depending on the attendance and revenues of each team, but it's the same number for each team.

So, if you have 55 million to spend next year - you have to factor that in when you're signing players. Mike Fisher, for example, might be paid 6 million dollars this year, but in reality, he signed a 5 year, 21 million dollar deal. The NHL doesn't care what he's being paid per year, just what the average of that salary is (4.2 million).

So by that rationale, you could be paying the Sens 65 million dollars, but the average of their contracts adds up to just under 50 million. In subsequent years you might be paying the Sens 40 million dollars in actual cash, but the salary cap is still the same.

Players who are waived to the minors don't count against the cap, but they are still paid their NHL salary if they're on a 1-way contract (meaning NHL only). Players on a two-way contract have a salary for the NHL and a salary for the AHL. These two salaries differ greatly, but the same applies, if this player is sent to the minors, he no longer counts against the cap.

That's some of it in a nutshell. There's more obviously, but that's the basic gist.