Anaheim and Ottawa interested in Edmonton trade bait

Phoenix30 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I would personally think Souray would bounce back, he's been too good for too long offensively to just fade away. Then think about Alfie and Souray on the point. Literally everything changes. As for where he'd play...with Karlsson please. Kuba can move down and play with Carkner.

But yeah, we just don't have the $$ to do it.

As for Moreau, only if they take Cheechoo.

Souray also adds some grit to the defence and isnt afraid to drop the gloves. Moreau is added heart and leadership to a team and the Oilers will truely miss his leadership when he is gone. You add those guys along with a little skill and this team is truely a contender. The question is where do you get the added forward skill.

asq2 wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I would personally think Souray would bounce back, he's been too good for too long offensively to just fade away. Then think about Alfie and Souray on the point. Literally everything changes. As for where he'd play...with Karlsson please. Kuba can move down and play with Carkner.

But yeah, we just don't have the $$ to do it.

As for Moreau, only if they take Cheechoo.

Souray also adds some grit to the defence and isnt afraid to drop the gloves. Moreau is added heart and leadership to a team and the Oilers will truely miss his leadership when he is gone. You add those guys along with a little skill and this team is truely a contender. The question is where do you get the added forward skill.

The goaltending is too much of a question mark to make us a serious contender IMO, and we don't really have a lot of room up front. Spezza, Michalek, Alfredsson, Fisher, Kovalev and Foligno I would say is the top-6 when everyone's healthy (Shannon, Regin and Foligno are I guess interchangeable for that title). After those six guys, you've got Shannon, Regin, Neil, Kelly, Winchester and Ruutu who I'd say are staples to the line-up.

That's 12 forwards just there, and on top of that you've got Cheechoo and Donovan as veterans, and Zack Smith as a very capable young guy in the mix.
I don't see how Moreau is enough of an upgrade to not only cost us assets to acquire, but also to push someone out of the line-up. Of those 12 guys, who do you sit for Mr. Moreau? I'm not sure I'd even keep him in the line-up over Smith. I think it reeks of the Martin Lapointe deal, which did absolutely nothing for us.

I'll echo Hem's sentiments (as always) and say that it's pretty pointless to do anything when there are so many question marks and the cap is as it is. Adding Souray, for example, means that you can not only kiss Volchenkov goodbye, but also kiss goodbye any opportunity to replace the A-Train with the Zbynek Zbus.

I'd rather just ride this team out. At the very least, it'll be valuable experience for Karlsson.

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I would personally think Souray would bounce back, he's been too good for too long offensively to just fade away. Then think about Alfie and Souray on the point. Literally everything changes. As for where he'd play...with Karlsson please. Kuba can move down and play with Carkner.

But yeah, we just don't have the $$ to do it.

As for Moreau, only if they take Cheechoo.

Souray also adds some grit to the defence and isnt afraid to drop the gloves. Moreau is added heart and leadership to a team and the Oilers will truely miss his leadership when he is gone. You add those guys along with a little skill and this team is truely a contender. The question is where do you get the added forward skill.

The goaltending is too much of a question mark to make us a serious contender IMO, and we don't really have a lot of room up front. Spezza, Michalek, Alfredsson, Fisher, Kovalev and Foligno I would say is the top-6 when everyone's healthy (Shannon, Regin and Foligno are I guess interchangeable for that title). After those six guys, you've got Shannon, Regin, Neil, Kelly, Winchester and Ruutu who I'd say are staples to the line-up.

That's 12 forwards just there, and on top of that you've got Cheechoo and Donovan as veterans, and Zack Smith as a very capable young guy in the mix.
I don't see how Moreau is enough of an upgrade to not only cost us assets to acquire, but also to push someone out of the line-up. Of those 12 guys, who do you sit for Mr. Moreau? I'm not sure I'd even keep him in the line-up over Smith. I think it reeks of the Martin Lapointe deal, which did absolutely nothing for us.

I'll echo Hem's sentiments (as always) and say that it's pretty pointless to do anything when there are so many question marks and the cap is as it is. Adding Souray, for example, means that you can not only kiss Volchenkov goodbye, but also kiss goodbye any opportunity to replace the A-Train with the Zbynek Zbus.

I'd rather just ride this team out. At the very least, it'll be valuable experience for Karlsson.

Well said. Unless there's a way to get rid of a few contracts - some of which I don't even want to anymore - I can't really see how Souray can happen.

Again, for me, the only way Moreau comes to the Sens is if we trade problem for problem in Cheechoo for Moreau. The buyout on Moreau (if need be) is obviously less than it would be for Cheechoo.

hemlock wrote:
Another point to consider about Moreau is that he's missed roughly 140 games (if my math is correct) since Oct 06. That's a ton of games to be missing. This guy makes Gaborik look like Cal Ripken! Even a healthy Moreau isn't a guy making a real difference to us imo. A broken down version is potentially much worse, and it would cost us assets. I'll take a huge pass.

SpezDispenser wrote:

hemlock wrote:
Another point to consider about Moreau is that he's missed roughly 140 games (if my math is correct) since Oct 06. That's a ton of games to be missing. This guy makes Gaborik look like Cal Ripken! Even a healthy Moreau isn't a guy making a real difference to us imo. A broken down version is potentially much worse, and it would cost us assets. I'll take a huge pass.

An asset named Cheechoo?

hemlock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

hemlock wrote:
Another point to consider about Moreau is that he's missed roughly 140 games (if my math is correct) since Oct 06. That's a ton of games to be missing. This guy makes Gaborik look like Cal Ripken! Even a healthy Moreau isn't a guy making a real difference to us imo. A broken down version is potentially much worse, and it would cost us assets. I'll take a huge pass.

An asset named Cheechoo?

Imo, it's a sideways move at best. Granted Cheechoo has an extra year, but still. I understand the wanting to get rid of Cheechoo, but bringing back someone like Moreau doesn't really do anything for us, and more importantly, doesn't do a damn thing for Edmonton. Why would they trade away their captain for a guy like Cheechoo, who they'd have to be on the hook longer for? I'd say a Cheechoo for Moreau straight up deal is about as likely as Derek Boogaard winning a Richard trophy (longest active goal scoring drought in the NHL).

Kovalfie wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

hemlock wrote:
Another point to consider about Moreau is that he's missed roughly 140 games (if my math is correct) since Oct 06. That's a ton of games to be missing. This guy makes Gaborik look like Cal Ripken! Even a healthy Moreau isn't a guy making a real difference to us imo. A broken down version is potentially much worse, and it would cost us assets. I'll take a huge pass.

An asset named Cheechoo?

Imo, it's a sideways move at best. Granted Cheechoo has an extra year, but still. I understand the wanting to get rid of Cheechoo, but bringing back someone like Moreau doesn't really do anything for us, and more importantly, doesn't do a damn thing for Edmonton. Why would they trade away their captain for a guy like Cheechoo, who they'd have to be on the hook longer for? I'd say a Cheechoo for Moreau straight up deal is about as likely as Derek Boogaard winning a Richard trophy (longest active goal scoring drought in the NHL).

On the topic of Maurice Richard trophies didn't Cheechoo win one? I guess anything is possible....

All jokes aside, I agree. This would be nothing more than a lateral move. Cheechoo and Moreau are signed for the same length btw. Both contracts end after next season. I'd be okay keeping Cheechoo. $1 million isn't a huge deal. If we're going to trade Cheechoo I rather it be for a pick so we could get him off the roster and let Smith or someone with more upside have a chance.

Bass Destruction wrote:I'll put it this way. I'd rather have Moreau than Cheechoo... But, I'd rather have neither of them than either of them.

hemlock wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:I'll put it this way. I'd rather have Moreau than Cheechoo... But, I'd rather have neither of them than either of them.

But this whole thing is moot. There isn't one good reason for Edmonton to assume Cheechoo's contract unless we spice up the deal, which I am violently opposed to. Unless it's something like Cheechoo and Campoli for Moreau and a decent pick, I want no part of this filth.

hemlock wrote:
Imo, it's a sideways move at best. Granted Cheechoo has an extra year, but still. I understand the wanting to get rid of Cheechoo, but bringing back someone like Moreau doesn't really do anything for us, and more importantly, doesn't do a damn thing for Edmonton. Why would they trade away their captain for a guy like Cheechoo, who they'd have to be on the hook longer for? I'd say a Cheechoo for Moreau straight up deal is about as likely as Derek Boogaard winning a Richard trophy (longest active goal scoring drought in the NHL).

Kovalfie wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:I'll put it this way. I'd rather have Moreau than Cheechoo... But, I'd rather have neither of them than either of them.

But this whole thing is moot. There isn't one good reason for Edmonton to assume Cheechoo's contract unless we spice up the deal, which I am violently opposed to. Unless it's something like Cheechoo and Campoli for Moreau and a decent pick, I want no part of this filth.

The Leafs took on salary to get picks/prospects. I wonder if the Oilers would be willing to do the same. What would we be willing to give up to get Cheechoo off the books? Lee? Campoli?

We're probably better off buying-out Cheechoo in the summer. That being said, if we did trade for Moreau we would keep him around next year. Is it worth spending $1.5 million for nothing on Cheechoo's buy out next year or paying $2 million for Moreau?

Kovalfie wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:I'll put it this way. I'd rather have Moreau than Cheechoo... But, I'd rather have neither of them than either of them.

But this whole thing is moot. There isn't one good reason for Edmonton to assume Cheechoo's contract unless we spice up the deal, which I am violently opposed to. Unless it's something like Cheechoo and Campoli for Moreau and a decent pick, I want no part of this filth.

The Leafs took on salary to get picks/prospects. I wonder if the Oilers would be willing to do the same. What would we be willing to give up to get Cheechoo off the books? Lee? Campoli?

We're probably better off buying-out Cheechoo in the summer. That being said, if we did trade for Moreau we would keep him around next year. Is it worth spending $1.5 million for nothing on Cheechoo's buy out next year or paying $2 million for Moreau?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:How about we ship Spezza to Edmonton for their first?

hemlock wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:How about we ship Spezza to Edmonton for their first?

Talk about laying an N4L carrot out there.

If that first is the first overall, yes please.