Shark Bait gone for Heatley; Heatley gone, Shark talk

RobbyJ wrote:How is Cheechoo's skating ? One thing this team needs is much more speed. That's why I prefer Michalek over Clowe.

rooneypoo wrote:

cas wrote:

Not a fan of the trade - not. at. all. I would much rather bring back Heatley and risk all that can go wrong

Just to clarify: Are you sure about the buy out numbers? I'm 90% sure any player over the age of 26 doesn't have the "1/3 over twice the length" buyout option. If we were to buy him out in the final year of his deal, I'm fairly certain it would be a 2M buyout for one year.

The standard buyout formula (roughly) is 2/3rds of the total value remaining on the contract, spread out over twice the years of the remaining contract.

Hence, if Cheechoo were bought out next year, the last year of his $3 mil / yr contract, we'd be on the hook for 2/3rds of $3mil spread out over two years. That equals $1 mil per year for 2 years.

Run it through CapGeek's buyout calculator if you want it double checked: http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

asq2 wrote:Michalek (streaky!), Cheechoo (who I'm still un-enamoured with, I just don't think he's a very good hockey player any more) and Couture isn't the worst deal possible, certainly.

All I know is that if SJ isn't willing to part with at least one of Michalek or Clowe, there's just no deal to be had. Period.

Cheechoo is I think for sure destined for OTT now, if any trade goes down. The money doesn't make sense otherwise.

Anyway, Michalek is a pretty solid player. I'd be more excited about him than Cogliano, and Cogliano was the only thing exciting about that last deal: he plays hard, goes to the next, PKs, regularly puts up 60 points a season playing on the second line with Pavelski. There are ways around Cheechoo if he doesn't work out (i.e., a buyout). Any prospects/picks would be gravy. A guy like Couture (skilled forward) is pretty much what the doctored ordered in terms of our organization depth needs.

Everything hangs on whether or not Wilson has the balls to step up and pay the not-so-unreasonable price of a Michalek or a Clowe for Heatley, tho'. If he can't do it, there's no trade to be had.

I agree, Michalek or Clowe or don't even call anymore. The rest of the deal may be hard to work out, but we can take on Cheechoo...if SJ can take on one of our 'bad' contracts.

rooneypoo wrote:
Yep, that's it in a nutshell pretty much. This thing is staring Wilson right in the face. Either he mans up and gets it done, or Heatley stays in OTT. I don't know if there's any other choice right now.

SpezDispenser wrote:What San Jose has to do is acquire enough players in this deal to fill out their roster- cheap players, like Lee, Schubert (who can play both positions), Bass, Picard, Regin, J.Smith (not so cheap) etc., and then they have to ensure that they're ending up giving up a couple of mid tiered contracts (4 million) to get Heatley, like Michalek and Clowe for example.

Does it make the Sharks better? Not really, but they're shaking Dung up and their PP is crazy.

rooneypoo wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:I thought that this trade was done to begin to clear up cap space so they could aquire Heatley.

I don't see why this move nixes the Heatley to SJ deal. If it does Dany has all but run out of options.

Garrioch is waaaaaaaaaaay off on this article, from start to finish. It's really as simple as that. Nothing new there.

As I said before, this move on SJ's part is either a final step towards finalizing the roster (i.e., they'll just fill in the rest of the roster with minor leaguers and/or role players) OR it will be pivotal to landing Heatley. It could be a precursor to either, really.

Anyway, if there's a deal to be made between OTT and SJ, I think it will look something like this:

Heatley + Picard or Schubert (about $8.3 mil)

for

Michalek/Clowe + Cheechoo + pick and/or prospect (about $6.7-7.3 mil)

SJ adds a needed D, and only adds $1-1.5 mil to their cap. They're left with 9 forwards, 6 D, and 2 goalies, and about $2 mil in cap space ($3.2 mil if they use the bonus cushion). They re-sign some of their RFA kids (Mitchell, Staubitz, Fox) for cheap and/or sign a role players for the league minimum and insert them in the lineup. Even if they spend $2 mil on those three players, they can still have almost $1.3 mil in cap space if they use the bonus cushion to shelter them from the costs of the bonuses they have to pay out this year ($1.24 mil owed to Blake, McGinn, and Setoguchi).

OTT, meanwhile, drops about $1-1.5 mil in cap space (which we have to do), clears an unneeded D off the books, adds a top six-er in Michalek/Clowe to help replace Heatley, gets a rather crappy contract in Cheechoo (but the Penner precedent is there), and re-stocks the prospect cupboards some more (Couture + 2nd?).

It's not the ideal scenario, or the trade I would have wanted or expected back in June, but there you have it.

[All numbers and calculations done through CapGeek, of course. ]

N4L wrote:Atta boy. How did you know Heatley would be going the other way?

N4L wrote:Not gonna lie, no clue what that means. If I do though, I cant pronounce it.

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:Not gonna lie, no clue what that means. If I do though, I cant pronounce it.

Seeing the future.

EDIT: Claire - voy - ance

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:Not gonna lie, no clue what that means. If I do though, I cant pronounce it.

Seeing the future.

EDIT: Claire - voy - ance

marakh wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:Not gonna lie, no clue what that means. If I do though, I cant pronounce it.

Seeing the future.

EDIT: Claire - voy - ance

Isn't it more like Claire - vou - ay - ance ? (I'm thinking french)

rooneypoo wrote:

marakh wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:Not gonna lie, no clue what that means. If I do though, I cant pronounce it.

Seeing the future.

EDIT: Claire - voy - ance

Isn't it more like Claire - vou - ay - ance ? (I'm thinking french)

Definitely a 3-syllable word when pronounced in English ("Clair / voy / ance").