Silly Season 2009: Free Agents and Trades--Who Goes Where?

It would be nice to have Alfie, Spezza, Kovalev and Tanguay up front...

Well, just remember that the Ottawa Sun is responsible for reporting that "$1.2 mil" figure for Tanguay...

... which means I put zero stock in it.

My guess is that he'll get $3.5+ mil / yr on a short-term deal. Tanguay will not have to settle for a 400% or so discount.

rooneypoo wrote:Well, just remember that the Ottawa Sun is responsible for reporting that "$1.2 mil" figure for Tanguay...

... which means I put zero stock in it.

My guess is that he'll get $3.5+ mil / yr on a short-term deal. Tanguay will not have to settle for a 400% or so discount.

Agreed... he'll get a good offer but it may come down to the wire...

shabbs wrote:Wow. Best offer is listed at $1.2M? Holy. He's gonna have to suck it up or else make a jump to the KHL...

Maybe Murray can grab him on the real cheap.

No, Murray spent that (and then some) on Chris Neil.

Now do you guys begin to feel what many of us felt when the contract was signed? This is the situation: you overspend by just a little here and there (in Neil's case, I think it was more than just "a little", more like a third more) and the end result is that above average players are left out. As much as I love Neil for what he brings, what color is the sky in the universe where he makes almost double what Tanguay makes?

shabbs wrote:It would be nice to have Alfie, Spezza, Kovalev and Tanguay up front...

You'd better have two Mike Fishers then to complement the skill with a little grit. Can Foligno play top-six for a full season?

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:Wow. Best offer is listed at $1.2M? Holy. He's gonna have to suck it up or else make a jump to the KHL...

Maybe Murray can grab him on the real cheap.

No, Murray spent that (and then some) on Chris Neil.

Now do you guys begin to feel what many of us felt when the contract was signed? This is the situation: you overspend by just a little here and there (in Neil's case, I think it was more than just "a little", more like a third more) and the end result is that above average players are left out. As much as I love Neil for what he brings, what color is the sky in the universe where he makes almost double what Tanguay makes?

Well, let's see what Tanguay actually signs for when he does... and I do agree we over paid for Neil... but that's history now.

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:It would be nice to have Alfie, Spezza, Kovalev and Tanguay up front...

You'd better have two Mike Fishers then to complement the skill with a little grit. Can Foligno play top-six for a full season?

Hopefully not at the price we're paying him already...



Heh heh.

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Well, just remember that the Ottawa Sun is responsible for reporting that "$1.2 mil" figure for Tanguay...

... which means I put zero stock in it.

My guess is that he'll get $3.5+ mil / yr on a short-term deal. Tanguay will not have to settle for a 400% or so discount.

Agreed... he'll get a good offer but it may come down to the wire...

You just never know. He's got a young family so playing for a year in the KHL may be out of the question. Over there he could get $3-4M tax free, but if he doesn't have that leverage then he has little to negotiate with. I'm not saying he'd be forced to sign for $1.2M (if he did, he could grab that $4M contract in the KHL and put his family up somewhere in Europe with a private tutor for his daughter, for the duration of the KHL season).

We'll see how this shakes out, but he could be forced to sign something in the $2.5M range.

Burke spent $1M on Colton Orr and $1.4M on Wayne Primeau. Just sayin'

rooneypoo wrote:Well, just remember that the Ottawa Sun is responsible for reporting that "$1.2 mil" figure for Tanguay...

... which means I put zero stock in it.

My guess is that he'll get $3.5+ mil / yr on a short-term deal. Tanguay will not have to settle for a 400% or so discount.

400% discount?

That'd be minus $16M and change....
80% discount sounds about right (give or take)...

[not to be picky or anything, but it's always gratifying to be able to correct someone who knows so much more than me in the use of language]

Acrobat wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Well, just remember that the Ottawa Sun is responsible for reporting that "$1.2 mil" figure for Tanguay...

... which means I put zero stock in it.

My guess is that he'll get $3.5+ mil / yr on a short-term deal. Tanguay will not have to settle for a 400% or so discount.

400% discount?

That'd be minus $16M and change....
80% discount sounds about right (give or take)...

[not to be picky or anything, but it's always gratifying to be able to correct someone who knows so much more than me in the use of language]

Forgive him, he has a Ph.D. in English.

Acrobat wrote:

400% discount?

That'd be minus $16M and change....
80% discount sounds about right (give or take)...

[not to be picky or anything, but it's always gratifying to be able to correct someone who knows so much more than me in the use of language]

I just meant that he would be making a full 4 times less than what he made the year before if he settled for $1.2 mil.

Lemme alone, I'm an English major!

rooneypoo wrote:

Acrobat wrote:

400% discount?

That'd be minus $16M and change....
80% discount sounds about right (give or take)...

[not to be picky or anything, but it's always gratifying to be able to correct someone who knows so much more than me in the use of language]

I just meant that he would be making a full 4 times less than what he made the year before if he settled for $1.2 mil.

Lemme alone, I'm an English major!

Heh heh. Still wrong, and we forgive you. I believe you're looking for the term "a quarter of what he made the year before".

shabbs wrote:
Heh heh. Still wrong, and we forgive you. I believe you're looking for the term "a quarter of what he made the year before".

No, I'm right on this last one -- $1.2 mil x 4 = $4.8 mil, or just under $5 mil -- I did double check with my calculator!

Anyway, isn't it weird that a pay cut from $5 mil to $1.2 is "only" an 80% cut, whereas a pay raise from $1.2 mil to $5 mil is a pay increase of over 400%?

(Right???)

Math is stupid. cool)

rooneypoo wrote:

shabbs wrote:
Heh heh. Still wrong, and we forgive you. I believe you're looking for the term "a quarter of what he made the year before".

No, I'm right on this last one -- $1.2 mil x 4 = $4.8 mil, or just under $5 mil -- I did double check with my calculator!

Anyway, isn't it weird that a pay cut from $5 mil to $1.2 is "only" an 80% cut, whereas a pay raise from $1.2 mil to $5 mil is a pay increase of over 400%?

(Right???)

Math is stupid. cool)

Math is awesome! (my degree was engineering btw)

When you say 4 times less... you subtract 4 times the original amount. So, if $4.8M is the amount he made last year (for example only), if he made 4 times less, you'd subtract 4 x $4.8M to get the result, which would be negative of course.

Percentage comparison is directional by nature so it depends entirely on what the value of the original number is when the comparison is done. 400% one way... 80% the other way... it's all relative and it all makes sense to me.

You are using English to describe Mathematics. Now you're back in Dr. Poo's back yard.

wprager wrote:You are using English to describe Mathematics. Now you're back in Dr. Poo's back yard.

Prags>there you go again. Fluffing.

wprager wrote:You are using English to describe Mathematics. Now you're back in Dr. Poo's back yard.

It was a necessity.

Nice fluffing.

Look, you guys are both fluffing when you reply to my fluffs. You're re-fluffers.