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Flo The Action wrote:

Lagoon wrote:Congratulations to SensChirp for getting a spot on TSN1200 today.

A regular spot?

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Yeah, I like the core too, but if Karlsson is traded that can put us in a pretty weak situation on the backend.

I am absolutely torn on Karlsson.  One day I say re-sign him and then the next I see a quick revamp of the team by moving him.  Back and forth, back and forth.  

Re-sign Karlsson:

Pros:
Fan satisfaction (although apathy exists with him here anyway).
Drives offense from back end.

Cons:
Boat anchor of a contract is almost guaranteed for the last 3 or 4 years, and more if he doesn't continue to recover.
Even at his best he is an average defender.
Power-play has never been good with him.
Contract value could force out a good contract like Hoffman.

Trade Karlsson:

Pros:
Unload Bobby Ryan contract
Return would presumably be a young top 4 D and a grade A prospect up front.
Change of atmosphere with Duchene / Stone / Boro leadership group.

Cons:
Fan backlash (I wouldn't care if I was EM).
A futures based deal could yield very little actual production.
If not followed immediately or preceded by Duchene and Stone deals would they stay.


As a fan I want to keep him, but if I was the GM I would set my price and move him if it was met.

Apart from th unlikelihood of us keeping kalrsson I just don’t agree with ownerships take that we should be rebuilding. It’s their unwillingness to spend on acquiring players to make us better by spending more that is making us regress.
This is solely on ownership IMO

Ottawa has spent money over the years. They just aren't spending money in the right areas. Remember Phaneuf and Ryan were a combined $14M+ this year and are probably worth a combined $6M.

The problems in Ottawa has been assessing player value and asset management. Remember, Dorion last year said Brass was their best player. Analytics spoke otherwise. Burrows was a bad trade and a worse signing. We signed Thompson and Oduya over Stalberg and Wingels. Anderson and Condon were re-signed to big contracts for the two of them.

Melnyk has spent money - his management is not bringing in the right players.  

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Yeah, I like the core too, but if Karlsson is traded that can put us in a pretty weak situation on the backend.

I am absolutely torn on Karlsson.  One day I say re-sign him and then the next I see a quick revamp of the team by moving him.  Back and forth, back and forth.  

Re-sign Karlsson:

Pros:
Fan satisfaction (although apathy exists with him here anyway).
Drives offense from back end.

Cons:
Boat anchor of a contract is almost guaranteed for the last 3 or 4 years, and more if he doesn't continue to recover.
Even at his best he is an average defender.
Power-play has never been good with him.
Contract value could force out a good contract like Hoffman.

Trade Karlsson:

Pros:
Unload Bobby Ryan contract
Return would presumably be a young top 4 D and a grade A prospect up front.
Change of atmosphere with Duchene / Stone / Boro leadership group.

Cons:
Fan backlash (I wouldn't care if I was EM).
A futures based deal could yield very little actual production.
If not followed immediately or preceded by Duchene and Stone deals would they stay.


As a fan I want to keep him, but if I was the GM I would set my price and move him if it was met.

Apart from th unlikelihood of us keeping kalrsson I just don’t agree with ownerships take that we should be rebuilding. It’s their unwillingness to spend on acquiring players to make us better by spending more that is making us regress.
This is solely on ownership IMO

Ottawa has spent money over the years. They just aren't spending money in the right areas. Remember Phaneuf and Ryan were a combined $14M+ this year and are probably worth a combined $6M.

The problems in Ottawa has been assessing player value and asset management. Remember, Dorion last year said Brass was their best player. Analytics spoke otherwise. Burrows was a bad trade and a worse signing. We signed Thompson and Oduya over Stalberg and Wingels. Anderson and Condon were re-signed to big contracts for the two of them.

Melnyk has spent money - his management is not bringing in the right players.  

And let's not forget how the team views Cody Ceci... Apparently he's more valuable than Taylor Hall

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Regardless the point I am making is that Ottawa spends money. It just spends it in the wrong places.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I think he's sincere about what he said too

wprager wrote:Damn. Where was this for the last three months.

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:Damn. Where was this for the last three months.

.927 save percentage over the last 7 games.  

wprager wrote:Damn. Where was this for the last three months.