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Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:I really don't care about ownership, and neither do the players. That will sort itself out. Most players don't even know or meet the team's owner.

Come on dude. That’s a little Naive. Of course players care. Because it directly affects putting the best possible team on the ice and resigning all their best players.

You can’t be buying the PR lines

Trust me dude, players care about what they make more than how good the team is or anything else. It’s all about money. There’s a reason every big star doesn’t leave their drafted team. It doesn’t matter if the team is a contender or not.

If melnyk won’t give out an eight year deal or max players value the players will go elsewhere. Getting paid and winning are two different things but if money is equal everywhere (as you would hope it would be for guys like duchene and kalrsson then players might chose to go where the owners goal is to win not squeeze the team for money.

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:I really don't care about ownership, and neither do the players. That will sort itself out. Most players don't even know or meet the team's owner.

Come on dude. That’s a little Naive. Of course players care. Because it directly affects putting the best possible team on the ice and resigning all their best players.

You can’t be buying the PR lines

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:His biggest problem was that he bought the team with the bank's money (when a small share of his company holdings would have bought it outright). Then the stock plummeted and he ended up selling for peanuts and forced out.  Then the shares went up again.  He's had a terrible time picking when to sell.  Meanwhile he continued to leverage the team raising more funds (presumably for investment but more likely to pay debts) and the team's debt kept going up.  The interest rates on the debt are pretty high (kind of reminds me of the company I worked for last year).

But thing is, without the interest payments on the debt this team can make money.  

I wonder if this is another reason why Leeder was tossed to the curb.  He is an accountant by trade and maybe he could have given Melnyk bettter advice about restructuring his debt downward when he had the resource to do so.  

I assure you that he did not refinance to pay off other debt.  It is illlegal and impossible to get away with.

wprager wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:His biggest problem was that he bought the team with the bank's money (when a small share of his company holdings would have bought it outright). Then the stock plummeted and he ended up selling for peanuts and forced out.  Then the shares went up again.  He's had a terrible time picking when to sell.  Meanwhile he continued to leverage the team raising more funds (presumably for investment but more likely to pay debts) and the team's debt kept going up.  The interest rates on the debt are pretty high (kind of reminds me of the company I worked for last year).

But thing is, without the interest payments on the debt this team can make money.  

I wonder if this is another reason why Leeder was tossed to the curb.  He is an accountant by trade and maybe he could have given Melnyk bettter advice about restructuring his debt downward when he had the resource to do so.  

I assure you that he did not refinance to pay off other debt.  It is illlegal and impossible to get away with.

In sure there are ways. You pay someone money, you can invest in their "business"to pay off what you owe, with little hope of making it back. But as long as there is a chance, it's an investment.

wprager wrote:The Senators are less than $3M from the ceiling. They are well over the alleged $68M internal budget. Much of that is MacArthur's contact and 80% of that is covered, but even accounting for that they are paying out more than $68M.

Last year they came within a double OT goal of very likely winning their first Cup.  With good drafting and good health a team can go far without spending to the cap.

Personally, I'd prefer to be $3-4M from the ceiling (maybe even a little more) so you can afford injury callups, carrying 2-3 scratches (for internal competition) and, of course, a possible deadline move (deadline is earlier now).

Pepper call and roster management is more important than a bigger budget.

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:I really don't care about ownership, and neither do the players. That will sort itself out. Most players don't even know or meet the team's owner.

Come on dude. That’s a little Naive. Of course players care. Because it directly affects putting the best possible team on the ice and resigning all their best players.

You can’t be buying the PR lines

Trust me dude, players care about what they make more than how good the team is or anything else. It’s all about money. There’s a reason every big star doesn’t leave their drafted team. It doesn’t matter if the team is a contender or not.

If melnyk won’t give out an eight year deal or max players value the players will go elsewhere. Getting paid and winning are two different things but if money is equal everywhere (as you would hope it would be for guys like duchene and kalrsson then players might chose to go where the owners goal is to win not squeeze the team for money.

Anderson methot Ryan MacArthur Pyatt condon etc all re signing with the team during these recent years...al I have to say

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:I really don't care about ownership, and neither do the players. That will sort itself out. Most players don't even know or meet the team's owner.

Come on dude. That’s a little Naive. Of course players care. Because it directly affects putting the best possible team on the ice and resigning all their best players.

You can’t be buying the PR lines

Trust me dude, players care about what they make more than how good the team is or anything else. It’s all about money. There’s a reason every big star doesn’t leave their drafted team. It doesn’t matter if the team is a contender or not.

If melnyk won’t give out an eight year deal or max players value the players will go elsewhere. Getting paid and winning are two different things but if money is equal everywhere (as you would hope it would be for guys like duchene and kalrsson then players might chose to go where the owners goal is to win not squeeze the team for money.

Anderson methot Ryan MacArthur Pyatt condon etc all re signing with the team during these recent years...al I have to say

Im not talking about secondary players. People want to stay because there is a guy like kalrsson. If kalrsson(and duchene) leave, then I don’t expect everyone to chose to stay.

wprager wrote:No he didn't. He didn't say he didn't sign because of Melnyk. He made it quite clear that he wanted to sign but they didn't counter his offer and he thinks it's because Melnyk did not want to say him this much for that long (I'm extrapolating on what he really said in that last part).  

This is quite different from saying players will not *want* to sign here because of Melnyk.

It's all about the money.

wprager wrote:No he didn't. He didn't say he didn't sign because of Melnyk. He made it quite clear that he wanted to sign but they didn't counter his offer and he thinks it's because Melnyk did not want to say him this much for that long (I'm extrapolating on what he really said in that last part).  

This is quite different from saying players will not *want* to sign here because of Melnyk.

It's all about the money.

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:No he didn't. He didn't say he didn't sign because of Melnyk. He made it quite clear that he wanted to sign but they didn't counter his offer and he thinks it's because Melnyk did not want to say him this much for that long (I'm extrapolating on what he really said in that last part).  

This is quite different from saying players will not *want* to sign here because of Melnyk.

It's all about the money.

He’s also lying through his teeth because he didn’t want to sign here

wprager wrote:Hey, they read my text/question to Pierre this morning on TGOR.  If you listened to the segment (podcast is up), can you guess which question was mine?