2017 Sens Off-Season

Way too much money for a playoff healthy scratch

Trade coming? We may have the most expensive 3rd and 4th lines in the NHL and you don't healthy scratch anyone in the bottom six except maybe for Dzingel but at a $1.8M AAV on a two-year deal it's pretty hard to justify. Definitely no room for White or any other prospect on a permanent basis.

Agreed. A trade seems to be in order. Dzingel, White, Hoffman, Stone, Turris, Pageau should be the core of this team and should start to get the lion's share of minutes. Too many pricey bottom six guys.

That's a great deal for the Sens. But I don't consider him a core member.

The 1.5 on the first year is exactly what I though they would get him at. The 2.1 is a bit of a surprise but I guess. I like Dzingel. I think he's the perfect guy to put himself on the 3rd line with Pageau or even move up into the top 6.
I don't share everyone's belief that this smells like will be looking to trade someone. If anything this may be Dorion learning from his mistakes and understanding that there is no guarantee that MacArthur will last as a hockey player. He may very well suffer another concussion. This gives us much flexibility.
I think white is more of a C/RW anyways. And with brass starting the season likely in recovery this allows white to possibly start centering the third line.

Depth is never a bad thing.

Yeah, the Dzingel deal is fine. He should improve.

I don't see how this is a "great deal" for the Sens. He faded in the second half and was scratched a few times in the playoffs. if CMac is back then Dzingle is a third-liner and he's not scoring anywhere near 15/30. If he got the $1.5M through arbitration then was a third-liner getting 7/15, without killing penalties, taking draws or hitting/blocking, no way would we be talking about a $2M extension.

I consider his upside (offense) to be that of Zack Smith (excluding his "breakout" two years ago). In other words 10-15 goals, another 15-25 assists. Smith was making $1.8875M on his second contract, and he hit, killed penalties and took draws. Still think, even with adjusting for cap increases, that $1.5M is what he'd be worth.

All that said, I'm glad they avoided arbitration.

wprager wrote:I don't see how this is a "great deal" for the Sens.  He faded in the second half and was scratched a few times in the playoffs.  if CMac is back then Dzingle is a third-liner and he's not scoring anywhere near 15/30.  If he got the $1.5M through arbitration then was a third-liner getting 7/15, without killing penalties, taking draws or hitting/blocking, no way would we be talking about a $2M extension.

I consider his upside (offense) to be that of Zack Smith (excluding his "breakout" two years ago). In other words 10-15 goals, another 15-25 assists.  Smith was making $1.8875M on his second contract, and he hit, killed penalties and took draws.  Still think, even with adjusting for cap increases, that $1.5M is what he'd be worth.

All that said, I'm glad they avoided arbitration.

He's much more skilled than Smith. He's produced in every league. Under $2 million is great, and fair, for a third line guy like this.

I got my half season schedule and the logo they use on the sheet is the O logo

They'll probably use some variation on that =O= for the outdoor game. It's still the 3D Centurion (a.k.a. ThankGodForTheKnightsNowTheSensDontHaveTheWorstJerseyInHockey) for the regular season and apparently no third jerseys this year.

I still want the old 2-D Centurion. I'd buy a new jersey if we got that. Even go for a number/name (first time).

wprager wrote:They'll probably use some variation on that =O= for the outdoor game.  It's still the 3D Centurion (a.k.a.  ThankGodForTheKnightsNowTheSensDontHaveTheWorstJerseyInHockey) for the regular season and apparently no third jerseys this year.  

I still want the old 2-D Centurion.  I'd buy a new jersey if we got that.  Even go for a number/name (first time).

I sail a lonely ship but I've always preferred the 3D centurion over the 2D

That said, the cream retro jerseys were awesome.

I think the sens could do with an altogether different jersey inspired by the O jerseys but with a new logo instead of a zero. I'm sure they'd find a way to Diddle it up though. That's what this org is truly good at. Messing with a good idea.

But yes. Vegas has the worst jersey in the NHL by a landslide,

wprager wrote:I don't see how this is a "great deal" for the Sens.  He faded in the second half and was scratched a few times in the playoffs.  if CMac is back then Dzingle is a third-liner and he's not scoring anywhere near 15/30.  If he got the $1.5M through arbitration then was a third-liner getting 7/15, without killing penalties, taking draws or hitting/blocking, no way would we be talking about a $2M extension.

I consider his upside (offense) to be that of Zack Smith (excluding his "breakout" two years ago). In other words 10-15 goals, another 15-25 assists.  Smith was making $1.8875M on his second contract, and he hit, killed penalties and took draws.  Still think, even with adjusting for cap increases, that $1.5M is what he'd be worth.

All that said, I'm glad they avoided arbitration.

How can you say that! If anything we need a third line that is pretty much a line 2B. Dzingel might very well surpass your expectations and be a legit second line winger or I could see him getting 20 with pageau, especially if white plays RW on that line down the stretch.

I also think he could be much better than smith. He had his first full NHL season last year and of course it's going to have bumps along the road. And yes he got benched in the playoffs but it's not like we didn't have depth and it was a battle to see who could stay on the line-up.

This is great news for the team

There's zero risk in the Dzingel deal since it's only 2 years. At worst, he's a 3rd/4th liner with great speed who chips in the odd goal.

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:I don't see how this is a "great deal" for the Sens.  He faded in the second half and was scratched a few times in the playoffs.  if CMac is back then Dzingle is a third-liner and he's not scoring anywhere near 15/30.  If he got the $1.5M through arbitration then was a third-liner getting 7/15, without killing penalties, taking draws or hitting/blocking, no way would we be talking about a $2M extension.

I consider his upside (offense) to be that of Zack Smith (excluding his "breakout" two years ago). In other words 10-15 goals, another 15-25 assists.  Smith was making $1.8875M on his second contract, and he hit, killed penalties and took draws.  Still think, even with adjusting for cap increases, that $1.5M is what he'd be worth.

All that said, I'm glad they avoided arbitration.

How can you say that! If anything we need a third line that is pretty much a line 2B. Dzingel might very well surpass your expectations and be a legit second line winger or I could see him getting 20 with pageau, especially if white plays RW on that line down the stretch.

I also think he could be much better than smith. He had his first full NHL season last year and of course it's going to have bumps along the road. And yes he got benched in the playoffs but it's not like we didn't have depth and it was a battle to see who could stay on the line-up.

This is great news for the team

I very much hope he surpasses my expectations. But last year, with CMac gone for all but the last, what, 2 games (?) he managed 14 goals and 32 points. Granted, it was his first full season in the NHL, but given that he is 25 I don't think he is expected to progress much from here. Half of his goals and half of his points came in the first 29 and 20 games, respectively. There was a significant drop off in production as the season went along. I understand that he was used to playing 30-some games at college, but he also spent 2 seasons in Bingo, where the season is just as long as here. Again, 25 years old with 3 years at pro, can't expect much upside beyond what we've already seen. If he can produce 15/30 again, sure, go ahead and slot him in as that calibre player. I would have been fine with a 1 year deal.

Anyhow, the more likely outcome this season is he plays reduced minutes as a 3rd liner and gets numbers similar to Pyatt.

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:I don't see how this is a "great deal" for the Sens.  He faded in the second half and was scratched a few times in the playoffs.  if CMac is back then Dzingle is a third-liner and he's not scoring anywhere near 15/30.  If he got the $1.5M through arbitration then was a third-liner getting 7/15, without killing penalties, taking draws or hitting/blocking, no way would we be talking about a $2M extension.

I consider his upside (offense) to be that of Zack Smith (excluding his "breakout" two years ago). In other words 10-15 goals, another 15-25 assists.  Smith was making $1.8875M on his second contract, and he hit, killed penalties and took draws.  Still think, even with adjusting for cap increases, that $1.5M is what he'd be worth.

All that said, I'm glad they avoided arbitration.

How can you say that! If anything we need a third line that is pretty much a line 2B. Dzingel might very well surpass your expectations and be a legit second line winger or I could see him getting 20 with pageau, especially if white plays RW on that line down the stretch.

I also think he could be much better than smith. He had his first full NHL season last year and of course it's going to have bumps along the road. And yes he got benched in the playoffs but it's not like we didn't have depth and it was a battle to see who could stay on the line-up.

This is great news for the team

I very much hope he surpasses my expectations. But last year, with CMac gone for all but the last, what, 2 games (?) he managed 14 goals and 32 points.  Granted, it was his first full season in the NHL, but given that he is 25 I don't think he is expected to progress much from here.  Half of his goals and half of his points came in the first 29 and 20 games, respectively.  There was a significant drop off in production as the season went along.  I understand that he was used to playing 30-some games at college, but he also spent 2 seasons in Bingo, where the season is just as long as here.  Again, 25 years old with 3 years at pro, can't expect much upside beyond what we've already seen.  If he can produce 15/30 again, sure, go ahead and slot him in as that calibre player.  I would have been fine with a 1 year deal.

Anyhow, the more likely outcome this season is he plays reduced minutes as a 3rd liner and gets numbers similar to Pyatt.

The ahl season is very different. There's a lot less of a grind. They usually play Friday Saturday and then again Wednesday. They get a lot more time off to recoup and also the competition is a lot harder in the NHL. I mean come on prags, it's a hell of a jump between AHL and NHL. Or else you'd see a lot more players succeed.

I think there was a complete adjustment from him on what it takes to succeed in 80 games and he'll be more prepared to go through it this year. Might even be a sophomore slump depending on where he's slated but I hope not.

That said it's a two year deal that takes him to UFA. So I hope he can truly show us what he's capable of from the get go.

How much longer to October?

wprager wrote:How much longer to October?

Enjoy the summer (when it's not raining)

Hard to enjoy it. No grass so no backyard. Construction vehicles clogging up the street and the ears. New job, working on contact, so time off means no pay. Daughter taking summer school so no sleeping in. Were planning on getting a puppy in August but nature is taking her time and it won't arrive until after the kids are back in school.