tim1_2 wrote:I don't want Senators playing in this tourney and neither should any fan. It's a recipe for disaster.
But I want every one to #LikeMyTeam.
tim1_2 wrote:I don't want Senators playing in this tourney and neither should any fan. It's a recipe for disaster.
I agree, this could cost other teams dearly, especially the way some of the games have been going. We're likely going to see a couple of injuries and quite a few players come out of it with some painful bumps and bruises to start the season on.tim1_2 wrote:I don't want Senators playing in this tourney and neither should any fan. It's a recipe for disaster.
Ouch. https://t.co/t3hO0wv5L7
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) September 18, 2016
wprager wrote:Don't worry, we'll have another lockout soon. I don't think the 50/50 will ever get changed back, but changes to the HRR definition will almost certainly need to be made. For instance, the league should mandate a certain percentage of the revenues should be placed in an arena up-keep fund and that amount should be taken off the top before the 50/50 split is calculated. Right now the owners are providing everything: arena to play in, equipment to play with, accommodation and meals on the road (5* hotels and business class), physical therapy, special food prep, training facilities, etc. Since the team/league mandates the players dress code when showing up to games I would not be surprised if the team pays for their suits (sure, they may only pay for one outfit, but still). Building and maintaining the arena is a huge expense and the players just expect the owners to pay for it out of their profits. Well guess what, most of the clubs don't have profits, that's why you have arenas built with public funds in most places. I think this (re-definition of HRR) will be a huge part of the next CBA, and we *will* have a lockout, and the players *will* lose again (if you can call the current situation a loss).
spader wrote:
All those things are the cost of doing business, with the exception of the things you made up. If you work at a grocery store, do you have to pay for building upkeep? The grocery store is a huge expense. Do you really expect the owners to pay for it out of their profits?
Also, you're out to lunch if you think the league pays for their suits. Where do you get that from? I feel like you pulled this whole post out of your .
Flo The Action wrote:I'm looking back on the fact that people are saying gallager or galchenyuk being part of the World Cup and not stone, I think it's great. Had stone been part of the teams we'd have an uphill battle with teams keeping him on a lookout but this way he fois a little under the radar for another little while. By th olympics he'll be under everyone's radar. For now he can demolish a few teams this year!
Anze Kopitar mic’d up at #WCH2016, “We fooled them all with the first two games, boys.” https://t.co/twdX03yu21
— Marina Molnar (@mkmolnar) September 18, 2016
wprager wrote:spader wrote:
All those things are the cost of doing business, with the exception of the things you made up. If you work at a grocery store, do you have to pay for building upkeep? The grocery store is a huge expense. Do you really expect the owners to pay for it out of their profits?
Also, you're out to lunch if you think the league pays for their suits. Where do you get that from? I feel like you pulled this whole post out of your .
There's really no need to get rude, is there? What I said was that I wouldn't be surprised if they paid for one suit. NHL hockey players get way more benefits than most "employees". Nobody I know gets 50% of revenues (not profits, *revenues*). Partners at law firms share in the profits, but this group of "employees" get 50% of the *revenues*. It's revenues, man.
Second, they have it built into the CBA that they stay at 5-star hotels. I can certainly understand business class travel because a lot of them are pretty big guys and the standard seats aren't very accommodating. But back before they had the Brookstreet hotel, teams used to have to stay downtown because the Holiday Inn Express (which was good enough for Cher when she was here) was only a 4-start hotel. In a lot of cases they get to their hotel room late at night and stay until after their afternoon nap. Absolutely no need for this luxury. Would make a lot more sense to prefer a hotel because of its proximity to the arena or practice facility, rather than the extra star. And the owners have to pay for this extra expense out of their 50%.
As for arena up-keep, many teams now lease the arena from the city, which pays for it with public funds. So some owners aren't paying for upkeep (at least not directly).
Bottom line, we *are* heading to another lockout. The pendulum has swung way too far the other way. The league is doing well as a whole, but too many teams are struggling. And the rich owners don't want their profits to be reduced to pay for the weak sisters. Meanwhile, the NHLPA absolutely wants to have 32 teams in the league as the number of players is hard-limited by this number. So, you want 32 teams, we want to keep our profits. The owners did very well for themselves when there were only the Original Six. The players have benefited from expansion significantly more than (some of the) owners.
Will the new CBA do 50/50 on profits only? I doubt that very much. Will the split change to give the owners a bigger share? Maybe, but I doubt it. The only thing left the definition of HRR. That, I believe, is the next battle.
wprager wrote:Apparently you can pick up tickets on StubHub for Sweden vs. Russia for $16. Why am I not in Toronto right now???!
SeawaySensFan wrote:wprager wrote:Apparently you can pick up tickets on StubHub for Sweden vs. Russia for $16. Why am I not in Toronto right now???!
Because it's an overpopulated Dung hole?
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