How do we fix the Senators

First thing first -- trade Anderson and play Hammond the rest of the way.  Either go on another fantastic run or crash and burn and get better odds in the lottery.  Get Bishop back from the Lightning (when they cannot afford him). If they won't move Bishop soon enough go with Driedger/Hammond tandem.

Too late to fix anything this year. Time to evaluate the crap out of who we've got and who deserves a spot next year. Definitely need to do somethng about the specialteams. Get better starts. Maybe practice the first/last minute philosophy of Detroit where you go al out in the first and last minute of each period. Sens have been very good when they get on a roll, but also very good at getting down 2 or more goals before getting on a roll.

wprager wrote:First thing first -- trade Anderson and play Hammond the rest of the way.  Either go on another fantastic run or crash and burn and get better odds in the lottery.  Get Bishop back from the Lightning (when they cannot afford him).  If they won't move Bishop soon enough go with Driedger/Hammond tandem.  

Without a back up plan(driedger/Hammond is not a backup plan) you do not move Anderson. We are likely be back contending next year and will need a solid tender.

Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season. That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies. Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D. You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+. You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M. So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward. And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop. Callahan's contract is a boat anchor. They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be. If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

wprager wrote:Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season.  That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies.  Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at  $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D.  You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+.  You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M.  So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward.  And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop.  Callahan's contract is a boat anchor.  They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be.  If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

And if stamkos leaves that leaves them fine in terms of cap.
No way we go forward with that tandem even for a season.

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season.  That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies.  Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at  $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D.  You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+.  You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M.  So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward.  And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop.  Callahan's contract is a boat anchor.  They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be.  If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

And if stamkos leaves that leaves them fine in terms of cap.
No way we go forward with that tandem even for a season.

If Stamkos leaves then the Sens might as well pack it up and move to Quebec City, as the Leafs Nation will take over the other 37 home games chanting "This-is-OUR-house".

It will never happen.

And then, again, it might.

And Driedger as a lifetime 1.000 SV% and 0.00 GAA. Fact.

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season.  That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies.  Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at  $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D.  You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+.  You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M.  So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward.  And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop.  Callahan's contract is a boat anchor.  They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be.  If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

And if stamkos leaves that leaves them fine in terms of cap.
No way we go forward with that tandem even for a season.

If Stamkos leaves then the Sens might as well pack it up and move to Quebec City, as the Leafs Nation will take over the other 37 home games chanting "This-is-OUR-house".

It will never happen.

And then, again, it might.

And Driedger as a lifetime 1.000 SV% and 0.00 GAA.  Fact.

Who says that if stamkos leaves it's for Toronto?

As if you are talking about trading to get Bishop back. Do you think that there's actually a possibility of that happening?? You're out of touch.

wprager wrote:First thing first -- trade Anderson and play Hammond the rest of the way.  Either go on another fantastic run or crash and burn and get better odds in the lottery.  Get Bishop back from the Lightning (when they cannot afford him).  If they won't move Bishop soon enough go with Driedger/Hammond tandem.  

Bishop is not getting moved this summer.

Trading Anderson now is one of the dumbest things we could do. I was in favour of trading him when we had both Lehner and Bishop but the decision was made and they chose Andy.

Man, id love duchene. Id give a lot to have him here

wprager wrote:Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season.  That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies.  Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at  $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D.  You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+.  You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M.  So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward.  And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop.  Callahan's contract is a boat anchor.  They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be.  If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

Namestnikov, Kucherov and Nestorov are all coming off ELCs and have no arb rights. They can keep those contracts much lower than you project. The return for Drouin will likely be a player or two on ELCs so there is more cost savings.

They will likely move on from Bishop but it will be next year.

SpezDispensed wrote:Man, id love duchene.  Id give a lot to have him here

We have the pieces to get it done.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Man, id love duchene.  Id give a lot to have him here

We have the pieces to get it done.  

Theoretically, i guess, but if i was in colorado's position id want a top pairing dman back, not prospects and picks/zibanejad

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season.  That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies.  Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at  $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D.  You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+.  You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M.  So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward.  And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop.  Callahan's contract is a boat anchor.  They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be.  If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

And if stamkos leaves that leaves them fine in terms of cap.
No way we go forward with that tandem even for a season.

If Stamkos leaves then the Sens might as well pack it up and move to Quebec City, as the Leafs Nation will take over the other 37 home games chanting "This-is-OUR-house".

It will never happen.

And then, again, it might.

And Driedger as a lifetime 1.000 SV% and 0.00 GAA.  Fact.

Who says that if stamkos leaves it's for Toronto?

Everyone on TSN

tim1_2 wrote:As if you are talking about trading to get Bishop back. Do you think that there's actually a possibility of that happening??  You're out of touch.

Stranger things have happened.

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:First thing first -- trade Anderson and play Hammond the rest of the way.  Either go on another fantastic run or crash and burn and get better odds in the lottery.  Get Bishop back from the Lightning (when they cannot afford him).  If they won't move Bishop soon enough go with Driedger/Hammond tandem.  

Bishop is not getting moved this summer.  

Trading Anderson now is one of the dumbest things we could do.  I was in favour of trading him when we had both Lehner and Bishop but the decision was made and they chose Andy.  

I'm ready to move on. Get a good pick in the trade and a better pick via the tank.

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:Tampa has a bit over $48.5M in contracts next season.  That's with 6 forwards, 6 defensemen and the two goalies.  Add $10M for Stamkos, $2.5M (minimum QO) for Killorn, $5M for Kucherov and you are at  $66M and still need 3 more forwards and a 7th D.  You'd want to re-sign Brown and Namestnikov, and at about half a point per game, that'll cost you another $4M+.  You also want to re-sign Nesterov since you're likely losing Coburn (which means Nesterov is in your top six with Koekkoek as you 7th) -- that's going to be close to another $2M.  So you are probably already at the cap, and still need another forward.  And I was probably a bit too optimistic with some of those salaries.

They have to lose/move one of Stamkos, Callahan or Bishop.  Callahan's contract is a boat anchor.  They don't want to lose Stamkos for nothing, and with Vasilevski and Gudlevskis they likely have the most depth in goal.

On the other hand, I suppose they could buy out Callahan, but that's a lot of money for a *loong* time.

So Bishop is plan A, but I'm prepared to go with a Driedger/Hammond tandem for one season if need be.  If it doesn't work out there's always the free-agent market or trade.

Namestnikov, Kucherov and Nestorov are all coming off ELCs and have no arb rights.  They can keep those contracts much lower than you project.    The return for Drouin will likely be a player or two on ELCs so there is more cost savings.  

They will likely move on from Bishop but it will be next year.  

I'm actually very curious about this. I have a suspicion their contracta wil be higher than what I'm suggesting as I usually am quite cheap. Sure, I could be wrong.

SpezDispensed wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Man, id love duchene.  Id give a lot to have him here

We have the pieces to get it done.  

Theoretically, i guess, but if i was in colorado's position id want a top pairing dman back, not prospects and picks/zibanejad

They need to re-sign MacKinnon and Barrie so they may want to free up some cash, they are a budget team like us. I think Zbad and Chabot along with a first for Duchesne and a 2nd is in the ball park. The one guy I don't want is RNH.