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spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

i can't see galchenyuk being traded for Drouin. they will try to maybe trade them beaulieu ++ but not a guy that is projected to be their number 1 center in exchange for a guy that has done sweet Diddle all yet.

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

spader wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

i can't see galchenyuk being traded for Drouin. they will try to maybe trade them beaulieu ++ but not a guy that is projected to be their number 1 center in exchange for a guy that has done sweet Diddle all yet.

I think you missed my "for the sake of argument" line, indicating that I was just pulling a name out of a hat. I wasn't suggesting that they'd actually make that trade.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:The issue with Drouin is he can be a star or a bust. It's a matter of being able to assess his true value which at this point Yzerman probably knows best. So you sell him as a 'star' but he could very well be a bust.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:The issue with Drouin is he can be a star or a bust. It's a matter of being able to assess his true value which at this point Yzerman probably knows best. So you sell him as a 'star' but he could very well be a bust.

I find it hard to think that any team bidding for him would consider him to be anything more than a gamble at this point. But who knows. IMO, Yzerman overplayed his hand.

From what I've read today, teams seem to be focused on the Shatt-stakes now.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:The issue with Drouin is he can be a star or a bust. It's a matter of being able to assess his true value which at this point Yzerman probably knows best. So you sell him as a 'star' but he could very well be a bust.

I find it hard to think that any team bidding for him would consider him to be anything more than a gamble at this point. But who knows. IMO, Yzerman overplayed his hand.

From what I've read today, teams seem to be focused on the Shatt-stakes now.

I am not sure if he's overplayed his hand. Top 3 pick on an ELC. Fast, offensive minded player.

Use a Ceci for Drouin trade as a baseline. Is Ottawa giving up too much? Not enough? Who knows. I thought it would take Ceci + to bring Drouin over but after some of the comments made today you have to wonder what Drouin's ceiling really is.

SpezDispensed wrote:There's a rumour pirri frm Florida is going to be moved to the jets.  

Flo The Action wrote:Talk about a crazy season for Patrick Kane with 72 points so far after what many would call a rocky summer from him. Wonder what he ends with?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:Talk about a crazy season for Patrick Kane with 72 points so far after what many would call a rocky summer from him. Wonder what he ends with?

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