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Look, it's not like Drouin is saying trade me right now, I won't play until you do. According to Walsh (yeah, I realize the irony given my previous post) the management told them a trade was close, and Walsh/Drouin thought it would be a good idea to not play and risk injury. Sounds legit, right? Except usually it's the team that decides that because if the player is injured the team loses, not the player.

Drouin isn't old enough to be this stupid. It must be Walsh.

Walsh is playing hardball. I wouldn't play hardball with Steve Yzerman.

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tim1_2 wrote:Walsh is playing hardball.  I wouldn't play hardball with Steve Yzerman.

Walsh made $10.7M in commissions. Next year he may be ahead of Toews/Kane (and his career can last a lot longer. As much as I cannot stand him, he knows what he's doing.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/allan-walsh/

Well, yeah, players hire him because he's a hard-a$$ jerk who can milk the most out of GMs. That's cool. If I were a superstar, I'd likely hire him too. In this case, though, I think you have a dumb-as-rocks kid (Drouin) who thinks he's a superstar (he's been that in every other league), coupled with a hard-a$$ agent, going up against Steve Yzerman.

Drouin is break the terms of his contract right now. Teams will now try to low-ball Yzerman, if they're still interested at all (why would you want this problem anyway)..... Do you think Yzerman is going to take a low-ball offer? Walsh and Drouin are playing a dangerous game of chicken with Stevie Y.

Montreal definitely still wants him. Yzerman really should forget about in-Division (remember first game for Heatley back in Atlanta the Thrashers thrashed Ottawa 8-3). He won't get a better deal than what the Habs were willing to give. And now Bergevin just came out and said he has extreme confidence in his players and coach and that Price is at least 3 weeks to a month away. Bringing in a Francophone 3rd overall pick will give him a bit more rope.

Wow, disturbing:
https://imgur.com/a/ZCheZ

wprager wrote:Montreal definitely still wants him.  Yzerman really should forget about in-Division (remember first game for Heatley back in Atlanta the Thrashers thrashed Ottawa 8-3).  He won't get a better deal than what the Habs were willing to give.  And now Bergevin just came out and said he has extreme confidence in his players and coach and that Price is at least 3 weeks to a month away.  Bringing in a Francophone 3rd overall pick will give him a bit more rope.  

Don't get that point. What are you saying? They took a thrashing (pun intended) but they weren't in the same division so it didn't really effect them in the long run

My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him. That was the case with Heatley. At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade. They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play. Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

And at this point I still think Montreal -- especially given their current situation -- will overpay.

Did he really just say this???

#Habs Bergevin on John Scott: "I can't really tell you why I had to make that trade."

wprager wrote:Did he really just say this???

#Habs Bergevin on John Scott: "I can't really tell you why I had to make that trade."

That sounds to me like, "I'm not going to tell you my reasoning and my game plan." Looks like nothing to see here.

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Did he really just say this???

#Habs Bergevin on John Scott: "I can't really tell you why I had to make that trade."

That sounds to me like, "I'm not going to tell you my reasoning and my game plan." Looks like nothing to see here.

I bet you're one of those people not looking forward to the X-Files reboot.

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

wprager wrote:Did he really just say this???

#Habs Bergevin on John Scott: "I can't really tell you why I had to make that trade."

How about John Lu's take on the same quote:


John Lu Verified account
‏@JohnLuTSNMtl

#Habs Bergevin on Tinordi to Coyotes: "I had to make that trade," but stopped short of disclosing reasons, calling them confidential.

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

i can't see galchenyuk being traded for Drouin. they will try to maybe trade them beaulieu ++ but not a guy that is projected to be their number 1 center in exchange for a guy that has done sweet Diddle all yet.

Flo The Action wrote:

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:My point is that as much as you may not want to trade within the Division or Conference for fear that the player will be motivated to play harder against his former team, there are 20 other player who may be just as motivated to play harder against him.  That was the case with Heatley.  At least from the fans' point of view, they felt that the Thrashers did everything they could to defend Heatley and make it easier for him, and they felt betrayed when he demanded a trade.  They booed him every time he touched the puck.

Similarly, now that Drouin has come out like a supreme bunghole, I'm sure the motivation of the remaining Lightning players will more than match his motivation in head-to-head play.  Bottom line I don't think Yzerman needs to worry about *where* Drouin is moved, and concentrate on getting the best deal for his team.

As I mentioned in the other thread, there's also the player(s) coming back. For the sake of argument, let's say Montreal sends Galchenyuk back for Drouin. Wouldn't Gal also be motivated against Montreal? Feels like a wash to me.

It's the fear of making a mistake and seeing that mistake many times every season.

i can't see galchenyuk being traded for Drouin. they will try to maybe trade them beaulieu ++ but not a guy that is projected to be their number 1 center in exchange for a guy that has done sweet Diddle all yet.

I think you missed my "for the sake of argument" line, indicating that I was just pulling a name out of a hat. I wasn't suggesting that they'd actually make that trade.