Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015

The potential is there. Everyone knows he's available, trading Cowen in that deal is more than 1/2 the cap hit right off the hop. You might even be able to throw Legwand in to replace O'Reilly short term for the Avs and take on more of the money... Then it will come down to giving up a guy like Peumpel in that same deal and maybe an additional draft pick.

If you could go ROR for Cowen, Legwand, Peumpel/Prince, and a 2nd in 2016, I think that works for both teams both short and long term. You need to have some assurance that ROR would resign though.

If the Sens get an ROR via trade then they are well on their way to contending.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:That would be great if we could land ROR.  

Bobby Ryan, and Ryan O'Reilly. Bobby/O'Reilly. Baba O'Riley could be their goal song.

You could call it the O' Ry Ry line.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:You could call it the O' Ry Ry line.

LET'S DO IT!!!!

Elliotte Friedman seems to think Glencrosse is headed to Chicago.

Nice move... maybe even for Chicago's 1st this year which is probably going to end up being 27th-30th as per usual.

NEELY wrote:The potential is there.  Everyone knows he's available, trading Cowen in that deal is more than 1/2 the cap hit right off the hop.  You might even be able to throw Legwand in to replace O'Reilly short term for the Avs and take on more of the money... Then it will come down to giving up a guy like Peumpel in that same deal and maybe an additional draft pick.

If you could go ROR for Cowen, Legwand, Peumpel/Prince, and a 2nd in 2016, I think that works for both teams both short and long term.  You need to have some assurance that ROR would resign though.

If the Sens get an ROR via trade then they are well on their way to contending.

I was shaking my head up until you mentioned resigned. i don't think he's allowed to talk contract till the summer(july 1st?) so any deal will be passed this draft which is good for us.
i could live with that trade. i'm not sure which of the two (pumpel/prince) i'd rather part with. I don't want to think about who got drafted higher so i'd rather evaluate their performance up here with whatever is left of the season.

that said, who can really step in a replace Cowen? i'm not buying weircoch can do it.

that said i would try to make any move to make it work that doesn't involve cowen. I see him getting much better within the next 2 years. we are going to regret it.


besides, i hate to say it but Buffalo will beat us with a better package. the only way we might have the upper hand if ROR won't resign in Buffalo. but if it's to play with mcdavid he'd be nuts not to.

NEELY wrote:Nice move... maybe even for Chicago's 1st this year which is probably going to end up being 27th-30th as per usual.

last chance to make it 3 cups before they split that team apart. kane and teows salary are making it hard for chicago to contend going forward. i could see kane getting moved 2-3-4 years into the future. depending on who they eventually have to resign.

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:The potential is there.  Everyone knows he's available, trading Cowen in that deal is more than 1/2 the cap hit right off the hop.  You might even be able to throw Legwand in to replace O'Reilly short term for the Avs and take on more of the money... Then it will come down to giving up a guy like Peumpel in that same deal and maybe an additional draft pick.

If you could go ROR for Cowen, Legwand, Peumpel/Prince, and a 2nd in 2016, I think that works for both teams both short and long term.  You need to have some assurance that ROR would resign though.

If the Sens get an ROR via trade then they are well on their way to contending.

I was shaking my head up until you mentioned resigned. i don't think he's allowed to talk contract till the summer(july 1st?) so any deal will be passed this draft which is good for us.
i could live with that trade. i'm not sure which of the two (pumpel/prince) i'd rather part with. I don't want to think about who got drafted higher so i'd rather evaluate their performance up here with whatever is left of the season.

that said, who can really step in a replace Cowen? i'm not buying weircoch can do it.

that said i would try to make any move to make it work that doesn't involve cowen. I see him getting much better within the next 2 years. we are going to regret it.


besides, i hate to say it but Buffalo will beat us with a better package. the only way we might have the upper hand if ROR won't resign in Buffalo. but if it's to play with mcdavid he'd be nuts not to.

Who can replace what Cowen is or what everyone begs and prays he might become?  There are a lot of guys that can play beside Ceci and succeed... a lot.  Cowen on a decent team is a 5, 6 at best in the NHL right now, that is not hard to replace.  The only gamble in moving Cowen is if he becomes a legit top 2, shut down D man and he very well might.

Wiercoich, Cowen, Claeson, Borowiecki, Englund, Harpur, they all have 1 things in common. Right now none of them are top 4 NHL d men. People value potential way too much vs a sure thing.

NEELY wrote:

Wiercoich, Cowen, Claeson, Borowiecki, Englund, Harpur, they all have 1 things in common. Right now none of them are top 4 NHL d men.  People value potential way too much vs a sure thing.

All true except the part where you left Ceci off your list of non-Top 4-NHL d men.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:The potential is there.  Everyone knows he's available, trading Cowen in that deal is more than 1/2 the cap hit right off the hop.  You might even be able to throw Legwand in to replace O'Reilly short term for the Avs and take on more of the money... Then it will come down to giving up a guy like Peumpel in that same deal and maybe an additional draft pick.

If you could go ROR for Cowen, Legwand, Peumpel/Prince, and a 2nd in 2016, I think that works for both teams both short and long term.  You need to have some assurance that ROR would resign though.

If the Sens get an ROR via trade then they are well on their way to contending.

I was shaking my head up until you mentioned resigned. i don't think he's allowed to talk contract till the summer(july 1st?) so any deal will be passed this draft which is good for us.
i could live with that trade. i'm not sure which of the two (pumpel/prince) i'd rather part with. I don't want to think about who got drafted higher so i'd rather evaluate their performance up here with whatever is left of the season.

that said, who can really step in a replace Cowen? i'm not buying weircoch can do it.

that said i would try to make any move to make it work that doesn't involve cowen. I see him getting much better within the next 2 years. we are going to regret it.


besides, i hate to say it but Buffalo will beat us with a better package. the only way we might have the upper hand if ROR won't resign in Buffalo. but if it's to play with mcdavid he'd be nuts not to.

Who can replace what Cowen is or what everyone begs and prays he might become?  There are a lot of guys that can play beside Ceci and succeed... a lot.  Cowen on a decent team is a 5, 6 at best in the NHL right now, that is not hard to replace.  The only gamble in moving Cowen is if he becomes a legit top 2, shut down D man and he very well might.

Wiercoich, Cowen, Claeson, Borowiecki, Englund, Harpur, they all have 1 things in common. Right now none of them are top 4 NHL d men.  People value potential way too much vs a sure thing.

my preferred attitude would be to keep Cowen. he's the one out of all those that has the highest ceiling IMO and also the one that is best playing that position out of all the options we have.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Elliotte Friedman seems to think Glencrosse is headed to Chicago.

I see what you did there ...

and I approve.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Elliotte Friedman seems to think Glencrosse is headed to Chicago.

I see what you did there ...

and I approve.

Thanke you!

NEELY wrote:
Who can replace what Cowen is or what everyone begs and prays he might become?  There are a lot of guys that can play beside Ceci and succeed... a lot.  Cowen on a decent team is a 5, 6 at best in the NHL right now, that is not hard to replace.  The only gamble in moving Cowen is if he becomes a legit top 2, shut down D man and he very well might.

Wiercoich, Cowen, Claeson, Borowiecki, Englund, Harpur, they all have 1 things in common. Right now none of them are top 4 NHL d men.  People value potential way too much vs a sure thing.

Of those above Borowiecki and Emglund play with an edge. I'd love it if Cowen or Harpur had a mean streak because they've certainly got size and skate well. Englund is all hearsay, and of course I'd like to see him play in Bingo first, but from what I read he's going to be a very good pick for us.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Wiercoich, Cowen, Claeson, Borowiecki, Englund, Harpur, they all have 1 things in common. Right now none of them are top 4 NHL d men.  People value potential way too much vs a sure thing.

All true except the part where you left Ceci off your list of non-Top 4-NHL d men.

Ceci is on the right side, and we're set there. It's the left side where we have issues.

Flo The Action wrote:
my preferred attitude would be to keep Cowen. he's the one out of all those that has the highest ceiling IMO and also the one that is best playing that position out of all the options we have.

I'm not so sure any more. I've said before I'd prefer not to move him, but he's likely to also have the highest return. I think the difference between Wiercioch and Cowen is less than the difference between what we would get in exchange, if that makes sense. Now, Wiercioch sure's not rough, and that likely means moving Borowiecki up to the 2nd pairing. So interim Methot-Karlsson, Boro-Ceci, Wier-Gryba. A tough player and an offensive player on each pairing. Chris Nilan would approve (he was talking about that on TSN690 last night).

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:
my preferred attitude would be to keep Cowen. he's the one out of all those that has the highest ceiling IMO and also the one that is best playing that position out of all the options we have.

I'm not so sure any more.  I've said before I'd prefer not to move him, but he's likely to also have the highest return.  I think the difference between Wiercioch and Cowen is less than the difference between what we would get in exchange, if that makes sense.  Now, Wiercioch sure's not  rough, and that likely means moving Borowiecki up to the 2nd pairing.  So interim Methot-Karlsson,  Boro-Ceci, Wier-Gryba.  A tough player and an offensive player on each pairing.  Chris Nilan would approve (he was talking about that on TSN690 last night).

i wouldn't put too much stock in his evaluations.

the thing i see is that cowen might be suited to play with karlsson a few years from now while methot might be better suited for the second paring by then.  i see a huge difference in what cowen and weir could become. i'm not a fan of trading cowen. i'm gonna go on the record and say it. Not a fan. we will regret it.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Wiercoich, Cowen, Claeson, Borowiecki, Englund, Harpur, they all have 1 things in common. Right now none of them are top 4 NHL d men.  People value potential way too much vs a sure thing.

All true except the part where you left Ceci off your list of non-Top 4-NHL d men.

Ceci is on the right side, and we're set there.  It's the left side where we have issues.

How are we set on the right side when you have Ceci, an AHLer, on the right side in your Top 4?