GDT: Sens @ Islanders, Tuesday Dec 2nd, 7:00pm (TSN5, RDS)

NEELY wrote:Yah completely disagree.  Only thing that might be causing some uncertainty is when Methot comes back, who is gone?  That does effect a players state of mind.  The Alfie thing is a distraction from the on ice product right now.

NEELY wrote:I thought this year could go either way and I thought everything was trending in the right direction as opposed to last year.  The kids were coming along, the D wasn't giving up the crazy scoring chances, and goaltending was much better.  Old habits die hard though and a lot of the same problems from last year are coming up and that's mostly on the vets not doing their jobs or living up to expectations.

To me guys like Zibanejad, Lazar, Hoffman, and Stone for better or worse get a free pass.  They are developing and finding their way.  Cowen's turn around is still impressive and full marks to him for figuring it out.  Ceci has been the teams most consistent player.

Don't think they need a huge shakeup but they need to spend some money to bring in vets who have won a little something and provide some guidance.  Legwand and Neil are nice guys to have along for the ride but they need more than that.

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:I thought this year could go either way and I thought everything was trending in the right direction as opposed to last year.  The kids were coming along, the D wasn't giving up the crazy scoring chances, and goaltending was much better.  Old habits die hard though and a lot of the same problems from last year are coming up and that's mostly on the vets not doing their jobs or living up to expectations.

To me guys like Zibanejad, Lazar, Hoffman, and Stone for better or worse get a free pass.  They are developing and finding their way.  Cowen's turn around is still impressive and full marks to him for figuring it out.  Ceci has been the teams most consistent player.

Don't think they need a huge shakeup but they need to spend some money to bring in vets who have won a little something and provide some guidance.  Legwand and Neil are nice guys to have along for the ride but they need more than that.

A huge shakeup in that they need 2/3s of a 2nd line.  A LW and a C.  Two big time positions to try to have to fill in one off-season.  Then they really need to look at why the team gives up 40 shots a game and make another really, really hard decision regarding Phillips.

Part of me thinks this is the only reason we're hearing of the possibility of an outside GM - one that doesn't have ties to Phillips, Neil, Michalek etc. and wouldn't hesitate moving them.

spader wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:I thought this year could go either way and I thought everything was trending in the right direction as opposed to last year.  The kids were coming along, the D wasn't giving up the crazy scoring chances, and goaltending was much better.  Old habits die hard though and a lot of the same problems from last year are coming up and that's mostly on the vets not doing their jobs or living up to expectations.

To me guys like Zibanejad, Lazar, Hoffman, and Stone for better or worse get a free pass.  They are developing and finding their way.  Cowen's turn around is still impressive and full marks to him for figuring it out.  Ceci has been the teams most consistent player.

Don't think they need a huge shakeup but they need to spend some money to bring in vets who have won a little something and provide some guidance.  Legwand and Neil are nice guys to have along for the ride but they need more than that.

A huge shakeup in that they need 2/3s of a 2nd line.  A LW and a C.  Two big time positions to try to have to fill in one off-season.  Then they really need to look at why the team gives up 40 shots a game and make another really, really hard decision regarding Phillips.

Part of me thinks this is the only reason we're hearing of the possibility of an outside GM - one that doesn't have ties to Phillips, Neil, Michalek etc. and wouldn't hesitate moving them.

Who's talking about an outside GM? Source?

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

To be fair, I think many were fooled by Dr. Poo's diagnosis which was that getting rid of Spezza would essentially change the whole team. Can we sue for malpractice?

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

There game has completely changed (as Prager said shots have even decreased) from this time 2, 3 weeks ago.  The scoring chances are way up, kid line as slowed (as well all knew it would) but the vets are dragging the team down at this point and they can't keep up with other teams who are fast and hard on the forecheck.

The team right now is playing the same way it did last year but there is still a ton to be positive about overall but the team itself is going to struggle hard until some of the dead weight is once again moved.

SpezDispensed wrote:Spezza is the antithesis of what the Sens want to be.  He's gone and it's not a bad thing in the least, thank you very much.

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

There game has completely changed (as Prager said shots have even decreased) from this time 2, 3 weeks ago.  The scoring chances are way up, kid line as slowed (as well all knew it would) but the vets are dragging the team down at this point and they can't keep up with other teams who are fast and hard on the forecheck.

The team right now is playing the same way it did last year but there is still a ton to be positive about overall but the team itself is going to struggle hard until some of the dead weight is once again moved.

That's why you need and outside GM coming in.  You day deadweight and the first guy I think of is Phillips, the 2nd is Neil, the 3rd is Smith and the 4th is Michalek.  All should be off the team next year.  Wiercioch doesn't even need to be mentioned.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Spezza is the antithesis of what the Sens want to be.  He's gone and it's not a bad thing in the least, thank you very much.

Who says it's a bad thing? Whatever the Sens want to be they clearly ain't it right now. I hope.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

There game has completely changed (as Prager said shots have even decreased) from this time 2, 3 weeks ago.  The scoring chances are way up, kid line as slowed (as well all knew it would) but the vets are dragging the team down at this point and they can't keep up with other teams who are fast and hard on the forecheck.

The team right now is playing the same way it did last year but there is still a ton to be positive about overall but the team itself is going to struggle hard until some of the dead weight is once again moved.

That's why you need and outside GM coming in.  You day deadweight and the first guy I think of is Phillips, the 2nd is Neil, the 3rd is Smith and the 4th is Michalek.  All should be off the team next year.  Wiercioch doesn't even need to be mentioned.

Neil is one of the last guys who should go although many teams would "overpay" to have him.

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team.  I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of.  The sky is falling apparently.

There game has completely changed (as Prager said shots have even decreased) from this time 2, 3 weeks ago. The scoring chances are way up, kid line as slowed (as well all knew it would) but the vets are dragging the team down at this point and they can't keep up with other teams who are fast and hard on the forecheck.

The team right now is playing the same way it did last year but there is still a ton to be positive about overall but the team itself is going to struggle hard until some of the dead weight is once again moved.