GDT: Sens @ Islanders, Tuesday Dec 2nd, 7:00pm (TSN5, RDS)

Could very well be it as well.

Fact is management is a mess because of Murray right now, coaching seems to be spinning it wheels, a guy like Methot who they are depending on is refusing to play through any kind of "injury", and the Sens are void of any real leadership or consistency.

The Sens are in for a long stretch here and I think people will find the Sabres catching them in the standings in very short order.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I agree with SSF right there other than the blaming 2 guys part.  The Sens needed a complete overhaul and losing Alfie was the beginning of the end of the "golden era" Senators.  Methot isn't going to come in and change a thing... he had an awful season last year and hasn't played a second this year.  He literally played 48 games of good hockey in his first 3 seasons in Ottawa yet he's going to be the difference maker?  Have fun going insane, lol.

Golden era was done way before Alfie skated off into the sunset.  

Alfie was the golden era.

gord wilson ‏@gordwilson 1m1 minute ago

Maintenance morning for Karlsson-he's good to go tonite.
Phillips- karlsson
Cowen-ceci
Boro-gryba Ryan, Weircioch out.
Anderson to start

Aaron Ward ‏@TSNAaronWard 10m10 minutes ago

#Sens Mar

My guess, they had a trade lined up and it fell through. They aren't ready to waive or IR someone.

NEELY wrote:Could very well be it as well.

Fact is management is a mess because of Murray right now, coaching seems to be spinning it wheels, a guy like Methot who they are depending on is refusing to play through any kind of "injury", and the Sens are void of any real leadership or consistency.

The Sens are in for a long stretch here and I think people will find the Sabres catching them in the standings in very short order.

Lol man, calm down, we're three points out with only a quarter played. Remember the lions leading the division? Yea, things change quickly.

This is flipper at his finest. next you're gonna defend spezza.

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I agree with SSF right there other than the blaming 2 guys part.  The Sens needed a complete overhaul and losing Alfie was the beginning of the end of the "golden era" Senators.  Methot isn't going to come in and change a thing... he had an awful season last year and hasn't played a second this year.  He literally played 48 games of good hockey in his first 3 seasons in Ottawa yet he's going to be the difference maker?  Have fun going insane, lol.

Golden era was done way before Alfie skated off into the sunset.  

Alfie was the golden era.

Shooting the puck and Nidermayer.
Stomping on the water bottle in a childish tantrum.
"Probably not" and then "Hello, Detroit".

Like I said, the golden era was over a while back.

The Sens were fine up until a couple weeks ago but they are trending in not only the wrong direction but a very bad one. The kid line has cooled off like most thought it would but the other lines other lines and forwards haven't stepped up like people thought and expected. Has nothing to do with flipping, has to do with calling it like it is and right now the leadership group and vets are not pulling their weight.

The Sens won't only be 3 points out for much longer, it's pretty obvious if they don't get a win tonight it is going to be a very long month of October because the games don't get any easier.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I agree with SSF right there other than the blaming 2 guys part.  The Sens needed a complete overhaul and losing Alfie was the beginning of the end of the "golden era" Senators.  Methot isn't going to come in and change a thing... he had an awful season last year and hasn't played a second this year.  He literally played 48 games of good hockey in his first 3 seasons in Ottawa yet he's going to be the difference maker?  Have fun going insane, lol.

Golden era was done way before Alfie skated off into the sunset.  

Alfie was the golden era.

Shooting the puck and Nidermayer.
Stomping on the water bottle in a childish tantrum.
"Probably not" and then "Hello, Detroit".

Like I said, the golden era was over a while back.

Sure bud.

NEELY wrote:The Sens were fine up until a couple weeks ago but they are trending in not only the wrong direction but a very bad one.  The kid line has cooled off like most thought it would but the other lines other lines and forwards haven't stepped up like people thought and expected.  Has nothing to do with flipping, has to do with calling it like it is and right now the leadership group and vets are not pulling their weight.  

The Sens won't only be 3 points out for much longer, it's pretty obvious if they don't get a win tonight it is going to be a very long month of October because the games don't get any easier.  

My take: the players are all preoccupied with the Alfie stuff, and after that game there will be a sense of normalcy, especially for Karlsson.

Meh, when the games start nobody thinks about off-ice distractions.

I have had some amazing games when everything was Dung in my personal life.

Yah completely disagree. Only thing that might be causing some uncertainty is when Methot comes back, who is gone? That does effect a players state of mind. The Alfie thing is a distraction from the on ice product right now.

NEELY wrote:Yah completely disagree.  Only thing that might be causing some uncertainty is when Methot comes back, who is gone?  That does effect a players state of mind.  The Alfie thing is a distraction from the on ice product right now.

He Alfie game is going to lift morale for many of the players. And I bet performance increases substantially. Especially with our d improving with methots addition.

Methot is pretty much gone whether we want it or not. I don't usually go bananas over off ice stuff but you can feel some weird things on this situation.

I'm not sure why we're delving into a 'golden era' debate at this point. This team could have been good, but it's apparent they have holes they can't possibly fill.

Turris, Ryan, MacArthur, Karlsson, Ceci, Cowen, Lehner, Anderson, Chiasson, Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Boro, Gryba - I see a really nice nucleus to work with. Now we need to be patient and not get too upset if we miss the playoffs this year.

Next year, with a new GM, there should be a veteran 2C brought in, a winger who can score for line 2, a long, hard look at Phillips taking up a spot, Wiercioch should be long gone, Neil could go as well, Smith is a waste of space and frankly a decision needs to be made on Zibanejad.

I was fooled in a huge way though, I thought this group was gonna be fantastic, hungry and a team no one wants to play against, instead we have a multitude of issues - including one of the two we knew would sink the season: Zibanejad sucking. Cowen was the other guy our season rested on, and he's on the right track, but there's NO getting away from Zibanejad unless they can acquire a real 2C - and they're really hard to come by.

It's an unfortunate situation right now, with a lame duck coach and a roster that just isn't good enough defensively to overcome their lack of offense and an offense that isn't good enough to overcome their defensive lapses and goalies who are trying to keep things competitive, but just can't. And if anyone blames the goalies, they just aren't watching.

Time for a huge shake up might be next off-season, I don't see what we can do right now.

I thought this year could go either way and I thought everything was trending in the right direction as opposed to last year. The kids were coming along, the D wasn't giving up the crazy scoring chances, and goaltending was much better. Old habits die hard though and a lot of the same problems from last year are coming up and that's mostly on the vets not doing their jobs or living up to expectations.

To me guys like Zibanejad, Lazar, Hoffman, and Stone for better or worse get a free pass. They are developing and finding their way. Cowen's turn around is still impressive and full marks to him for figuring it out. Ceci has been the teams most consistent player.

Don't think they need a huge shakeup but they need to spend some money to bring in vets who have won a little something and provide some guidance. Legwand and Neil are nice guys to have along for the ride but they need more than that.

NEELY wrote:Yah completely disagree.  Only thing that might be causing some uncertainty is when Methot comes back, who is gone?  That does effect a players state of mind.  The Alfie thing is a distraction from the on ice product right now.

The guy who can't play in the D zone - at all: Wiercioch. He can't stay, he sucks.

NEELY wrote:I thought this year could go either way and I thought everything was trending in the right direction as opposed to last year.  The kids were coming along, the D wasn't giving up the crazy scoring chances, and goaltending was much better.  Old habits die hard though and a lot of the same problems from last year are coming up and that's mostly on the vets not doing their jobs or living up to expectations.

To me guys like Zibanejad, Lazar, Hoffman, and Stone for better or worse get a free pass.  They are developing and finding their way.  Cowen's turn around is still impressive and full marks to him for figuring it out.  Ceci has been the teams most consistent player.

Don't think they need a huge shakeup but they need to spend some money to bring in vets who have won a little something and provide some guidance.  Legwand and Neil are nice guys to have along for the ride but they need more than that.

A huge shakeup in that they need 2/3s of a 2nd line. A LW and a C. Two big time positions to try to have to fill in one off-season. Then they really need to look at why the team gives up 40 shots a game and make another really, really hard decision regarding Phillips.

Part of me thinks this is the only reason we're hearing of the possibility of an outside GM - one that doesn't have ties to Phillips, Neil, Michalek etc. and wouldn't hesitate moving them.

Hilarious that earlier this season I said that nothing has really changed with the team except the goaltending was better, and that we're a borderline playoff team. I was shouted down as being negative, etc, and now look at what this thread is full of. The sky is falling apparently.