GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators @ Phoenix Coyotes - 10:00pm ET - Tue. Oct. 15th, 2013

Klinkhammer was all alone in front of the net, was that Andy's fault too?

The Sens got a win and Anderson posted .918% in that game and several key saves to keep them in it. That's about you can expect from him on most nights until the team defense tightens up.

No idea why he's under such scrutiny when the team is still fairly sloppy out there at times.

Hoags wrote:Klinkhammer was all alone in front of the net, was that Andy's fault too?

The Sens got a win and Anderson posted .918% in that game and several key saves to keep them in it.  That's about you can expect from him on most nights until the team defense tightens up.

No idea why he's under such scrutiny when the team is still fairly sloppy out there at times.

Because there is a better goaltender playing right behind him that's basically the franchise for the next 10 years and has played better so far this year as well.

NEELY wrote:
Because there is a better goaltender playing right behind him that's basically the franchise for the next 10 years and has played better so far this year as well.

Going to take more than a few games for that to sort itself out.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:Klinkhammer was all alone in front of the net, was that Andy's fault too?

The Sens got a win and Anderson posted .918% in that game and several key saves to keep them in it.  That's about you can expect from him on most nights until the team defense tightens up.

No idea why he's under such scrutiny when the team is still fairly sloppy out there at times.

Because there is a better goaltender playing right behind him that's basically the franchise for the next 10 years and has played better so far this year as well.

+1 was about to say the exact same thing. Andy is on borrowed time and has to be better.

That "shot" was from Spezza? Wow, didn't realize it was a face off win. I guess a goalie expecting his #1 center to actually win a defensive zone face off is virtually unheard off in today's NHL. You're right. Andy gets a pass on that one.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Because there is a better goaltender playing right behind him that's basically the franchise for the next 10 years and has played better so far this year as well.

Going to take more than a few games for that to sort itself out.

Lehner playing great and Anderson playing "ok, not great, not bad" is the reason people are talking now. Anything but wins and solid games from Anderson from here on out, Lehner is going to pick up that ball and not give it back.

I have stated before I think Lehner is the #1 by seasons end and probably before that and there are a lot of people that share that view. The guy is going to be a star. Anderson is a good goalie capable of playing great at times and was the perfect player to come into Ottawa, give the team some confidence and stability, and be a stop gap while Lehner was developed. Lehner is good to go and I don't think there is a person who watches the team and Lehner play that can refute that.

NEELY wrote:
Lehner playing great and Anderson playing "ok, not great, not bad" is the reason people are talking now.  Anything but wins and solid games from Anderson from here on out, Lehner is going to pick up that ball and not give it back.  

I have stated before I think Lehner is the #1 by seasons end and probably before that and there are a lot of people that share that view.  The guy is going to be a star.  Anderson is a good goalie capable of playing great at times and was the perfect player to come into Ottawa, give the team some confidence and stability, and be a stop gap while Lehner was developed.  Lehner is good to go and I don't think there is a person who watches the team and Lehner play that can refute that.

I don't disagree but that sort of transition is going to take more than a few games to sort itself out.  This isn't a level playing field here.

Anderson is the #1 and has a lot of rope from the coach, it's going to take quite a few bad games from him and probably having our playoff in jeopardy to make MacLean make a switch like that.

The team is better with both of them right now and give our team's goalies knack for getting hurt I doubt Murray will do anything unless someone makes him an offer he can't refuse or Eugene's credit card gets declined.

Lehner played lights out and the team still lost, if any changes happen it won't be goaltending.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Lehner playing great and Anderson playing "ok, not great, not bad" is the reason people are talking now.  Anything but wins and solid games from Anderson from here on out, Lehner is going to pick up that ball and not give it back.  

I have stated before I think Lehner is the #1 by seasons end and probably before that and there are a lot of people that share that view.  The guy is going to be a star.  Anderson is a good goalie capable of playing great at times and was the perfect player to come into Ottawa, give the team some confidence and stability, and be a stop gap while Lehner was developed.  Lehner is good to go and I don't think there is a person who watches the team and Lehner play that can refute that.

I don't disagree but that sort of transition is going to take more than a few games to sort itself out.  This isn't a level playing field here.

Anderson is the #1 and has a lot of rope from the coach, it's going to take quite a few bad games from him and probably having our playoff in jeopardy to make MacLean make a switch like that.

The team is better with both of them right now and give our team's goalies knack for getting hurt I doubt Murray will do anything unless someone makes him an offer he can't refuse or Eugene's credit card gets declined.

Lehner played lights out and the team still lost, if any changes happen it won't be goaltending.

Depends what they need or want. If they want another D man like say... Smid... Anderson would be the logical guy going the other way if that was ever a possibility. Dubnyk would be a decent backup but he's clearly not going to be able to do the job of a #1... backup though.. good enough.

Anderson won't be in Ottawa next season (at least I would guess he wouldn't be)... if you can get something good for him now that the Sens need now and can use in the future, they might do it.

Hoags wrote:I don't disagree but that sort of transition is going to take more than a few games to sort itself out.  This isn't a level playing field here.

Anderson is the #1 and has a lot of rope from the coach, it's going to take quite a few bad games from him and probably having our playoff in jeopardy to make MacLean make a switch like that.

The team is better with both of them right now and give our team's goalies knack for getting hurt I doubt Murray will do anything unless someone makes him an offer he can't refuse or Eugene's credit card gets declined.

Lehner played lights out and the team still lost, if any changes happen it won't be goaltending.

First, this transition has already been going on for two seasons. It's been more than a few games.

Second, it's Anderson's who has a knack for getting hurt, not "our team's goalies". Or were you going back to LeClaire, Emery, Hasek, Barasso?

Although Lehner did not win, he gave the team a chance to come back. In the second game he came in with the score 0-2. But in any case, his SV% has been pretty good, but what's lost in this is that his SV% *on the PK* has been spectacular (something like .979) while Anderson's has been pretty bad (sub .800). Gives the team confidence, which is something they need now more than anything else.

NEELY wrote:
Depends what they need or want.  If they want another D man like say... Smid... Anderson would be the logical guy going the other way if that was ever a possibility.  Dubnyk would be a decent backup but he's clearly not going to be able to do the job of a #1... backup though.. good enough.

Anderson won't be in Ottawa next season (at least I would guess he wouldn't be)... if you can get something good for him now that the Sens need now and can use in the future, they might do it.

I doubt the Oilers are dumb enough to give up Smid, he's probably the only D-man they have that actually plays defense.

Dubnyk is in his last year of a $3.5M contract, I don't think Melnyk's budget allows for a player like that until the deadline.  It's more likely they'd send us LOLBarbera.

I can see Anderson not being back next year, depends on the offers though.  Oilers offered Dung all for Bishop.

wprager wrote:
First, this transition has already been going on for two seasons.  It's been more than a few games.

Second, it's Anderson's who has a knack for getting hurt, not "our team's goalies".  Or were you going back to LeClaire, Emery, Hasek, Barasso?

Two seasons? This is the first year where Lehner is officially with the team from the start of training camp.  He's officially the backup and not sharing the load with Bishop.  He has 27 NHL games to his name, you don't bet a whole season on that kind of resume.

Yes it's Anderson who has a knack for getting hurt but those were accidents.  Point is depth in goal is a strength of the organization and if Lehner were to be #1 and get hurt we have .... Nathan Lawson.  Season is over if that happens.

Michallica wrote:Yakupov + Dubnyk for Anderson + Da Costa.  Do you do it?  GO!

I'd do it. I'm not sure if the organization wants to get a guy who might be in the KHL soon though. Even the Russian Sochi team isn't big on him.

Yakupov + Dubnyk for Anderson + Da Costa. Do you do it? GO!

No way do the Oilers give up Yakupov for Anderson, lol. I mean maybe in a larger package like Anderson/Michalek/Stone for Dubnyk and Yakupov they might think for a second but Anderson's value isn't exactly that of a 1st overall.

Another winger is what the Sens need along with perhaps another stay at home D man.

Oilers offered Dung all for Bishop.

I doubt the Oilers are dumb enough

Either they are smart-enough to learn from their mistakes, or they *are* dumb-enough.

Oh, Lehner's got 27 games? He has 2 this season, so where did the other 25 come from? The Hunt for Craig (in October) started 2 years ago when Lehner declared himself to be the hunter. Last year when Andy got injured Lehner proved that he belonged in the NHL as a #1. He hasn't shown that he can play 65-70 games, true, but you can easily find a backup who will play 15-25 games if necessary. Remember if we move Anderson we will save quite a bit on the payroll this year and the next (will very likely *need to* spend next season as the floor shoots up).

NEELY wrote:No way do the Oilers give up Yakupov for Anderson, lol.  I mean maybe in a larger package like Anderson/Michalek/Stone for Dubnyk and Yakupov they might think for a second but Anderson's value isn't exactly that of a 1st overall.

Not one for 1 for 1 just part of a package. Stone and Michalek have little to no value, we'd have to include Cowen or MacTavish hangs up the phone.

Michallica wrote:Yakupov + Dubnyk for Anderson + Da Costa.  Do you do it?  GO!

You do whatever helps your team right now and adds some upside at the same time. You don't really have to trade Anderson so you let the offers come in and see what happens.

NEELY wrote:No way do the Oilers give up Yakupov for Anderson, lol.  I mean maybe in a larger package like Anderson/Michalek/Stone for Dubnyk and Yakupov they might think for a second but Anderson's value isn't exactly that of a 1st overall.

Another winger is what the Sens need along with perhaps another stay at home D man.

Yakupov's stock cannot be treated anymore as a number 1 overall. I would only trade Anderson if it's a highway robbery. Goaltending has always been a tumultuous issue in the sens history so I'd be very hesitant to trade anderson.

But you're right, edmonton doesn't do that deal. Would the sens do it though, considering he's going all russian and all....

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:No way do the Oilers give up Yakupov for Anderson, lol.  I mean maybe in a larger package like Anderson/Michalek/Stone for Dubnyk and Yakupov they might think for a second but Anderson's value isn't exactly that of a 1st overall.

Not one for 1 for 1 just part of a package.  Stone and Michalek have little to no value, we'd have to include Cowen or MacTavish hangs up the phone.

Wouldn't trade Cowen straight up for the guy and I disagree about Stone having no value... he has enough for sure. Either way, it's not happening and I could see the Oilers trading Yakupov in a large trade with say Philly and getting Simmonds back and then flipping Simmonds for Anderson, something along those lines.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:No way do the Oilers give up Yakupov for Anderson, lol.  I mean maybe in a larger package like Anderson/Michalek/Stone for Dubnyk and Yakupov they might think for a second but Anderson's value isn't exactly that of a 1st overall.

Not one for 1 for 1 just part of a package.  Stone and Michalek have little to no value, we'd have to include Cowen or MacTavish hangs up the phone.

Wouldn't trade Cowen straight up for the guy and I disagree about Stone having no value... he has enough for sure.  Either way, it's not happening and I could see the Oilers trading Yakupov in a large trade with say Philly and getting Simmonds back and then flipping Simmonds for Anderson, something along those lines.

This is just to satisfy your big 'ol wet dream isn't it?