SENS OFF-SEASON TALK 2013

With Gonchar gone yah, the top 4 might take a hit but how good does your #4 guy have to be playing behind Karlsson.  Everyone talks about this puck mover but fact of the matter is Karlsson is going to be playing an average of 1:59 on every PP Ottawa gets going forward and they are going to try and mold Cowen into the big shot from the point.  Do they need a guy who can control the blueline and move the puck who is a LH shot?  Yah they do and maybe that is Wiercioch but he struggles at the best of times with a lot of defensive zone coverage and does get caught up ice a lot... those things can be fixed over time for sure.

Maybe they move a guy like Da Costa... not sure, just saying that it will cost something decent to move up in this draft like all others.

NEELY wrote:With Gonchar gone yah, the top 4 might take a hit but how good does your #4 guy have to be playing behind Karlsson.  Everyone talks about this puck mover but fact of the matter is Karlsson is going to be playing an average of 1:59 on every PP Ottawa gets going forward and they are going to try and mold Cowen into the big shot from the point.  Do they need a guy who can control the blueline and move the puck who is a LH shot?  Yah they do and maybe that is Wiercioch but he struggles at the best of times with a lot of defensive zone coverage and does get caught up ice a lot... those things can be fixed over time for sure.

Maybe they move a guy like Da Costa... not sure, just saying that it will cost something decent to move up in this draft like all others.

They may have to settle for young Soupy.

Ev wrote:Freddy Gauthier is my official first round prediction for the Sens. Lock it up fellas!

COming from the N1 Quebec ahter on the web? Very intriguing

Brian Campbell would be perfect but I seriously doubt he is traded anytime soon.

LeKing wrote:

Ev wrote:Freddy Gauthier is my official first round prediction for the Sens. Lock it up fellas!

COming from the N1 Quebec ahter on the web? Very intriguing

Wow.

tim1_2 wrote:

LeKing wrote:

Ev wrote:Freddy Gauthier is my official first round prediction for the Sens. Lock it up fellas!

COming from the N1 Quebec ahter on the web? Very intriguing

Wow.

WHAM-O!!!

tim1_2 wrote:

LeKing wrote:

Ev wrote:Freddy Gauthier is my official first round prediction for the Sens. Lock it up fellas!

COming from the N1 Quebec ahter on the web? Very intriguing

Wow.

Are you always this serious?

LeKing wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

LeKing wrote:

Ev wrote:Freddy Gauthier is my official first round prediction for the Sens. Lock it up fellas!

COming from the N1 Quebec ahter on the web? Very intriguing

Wow.

Are you always this serious?

I was just insulted that I wasn't still the #1 Quebec hater on the web.

NEELY wrote:With Gonchar gone yah, the top 4 might take a hit but how good does your #4 guy have to be playing behind Karlsson.  Everyone talks about this puck mover but fact of the matter is Karlsson is going to be playing an average of 1:59 on every PP Ottawa gets going forward and they are going to try and mold Cowen into the big shot from the point.  Do they need a guy who can control the blueline and move the puck who is a LH shot?  Yah they do and maybe that is Wiercioch but he struggles at the best of times with a lot of defensive zone coverage and does get caught up ice a lot... those things can be fixed over time for sure.

Maybe they move a guy like Da Costa... not sure, just saying that it will cost something decent to move up in this draft like all others.

Campbell sucks defensively though. I'm no longer a fan of that guy, even if it would make our PP better. No doubt we need an offensive minded D-man though, but Murray was so quick to jettison Gonchar, he either really believes in Wiercioch - which goes against what Mac did in the playoffs - or he has a plan.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:With Gonchar gone yah, the top 4 might take a hit but how good does your #4 guy have to be playing behind Karlsson.  Everyone talks about this puck mover but fact of the matter is Karlsson is going to be playing an average of 1:59 on every PP Ottawa gets going forward and they are going to try and mold Cowen into the big shot from the point.  Do they need a guy who can control the blueline and move the puck who is a LH shot?  Yah they do and maybe that is Wiercioch but he struggles at the best of times with a lot of defensive zone coverage and does get caught up ice a lot... those things can be fixed over time for sure.

Maybe they move a guy like Da Costa... not sure, just saying that it will cost something decent to move up in this draft like all others.

Campbell sucks defensively though.  I'm no longer a fan of that guy, even if it would make our PP better.  No doubt we need an offensive minded D-man though, but Murray was so quick to jettison Gonchar, he either really believes in Wiercioch - which goes against what Mac did in the playoffs - or he has a plan.  

Or maybe Murray knew his demands and was unwilling to agree to the term or $$$.

I really have no idea what Murray wants to or is going to do... only thing I am pretty sure of is he is going to try and make a move for a big time winger. 

The assets to obtain that winger that wouldn't knock the Sens back at all?  1st round picks this year, next year, Wiercioch, Da Costa... maybe Stone?  Next years 2nd rounder... Maybe a guy like Greening but then you have to go out and get a similar guy at 3 times the cost...

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:With Gonchar gone yah, the top 4 might take a hit but how good does your #4 guy have to be playing behind Karlsson.  Everyone talks about this puck mover but fact of the matter is Karlsson is going to be playing an average of 1:59 on every PP Ottawa gets going forward and they are going to try and mold Cowen into the big shot from the point.  Do they need a guy who can control the blueline and move the puck who is a LH shot?  Yah they do and maybe that is Wiercioch but he struggles at the best of times with a lot of defensive zone coverage and does get caught up ice a lot... those things can be fixed over time for sure.

Maybe they move a guy like Da Costa... not sure, just saying that it will cost something decent to move up in this draft like all others.

Campbell sucks defensively though.  I'm no longer a fan of that guy, even if it would make our PP better.  No doubt we need an offensive minded D-man though, but Murray was so quick to jettison Gonchar, he either really believes in Wiercioch - which goes against what Mac did in the playoffs - or he has a plan.  

Or maybe Murray knew his demands and was unwilling to agree to the term or $$$.

I guess. He'd better have a plan in place for a D-man and a winger though.

why can't i seem to be able to write outside the quote box when i'm trying to quote somebody? god damn adjustments!
EDIT: figured it out.

A buddy of mine whose family billeted a ton of 67s said that they all disliked Bickell.  He was apparently a real arsehole, he once took a crap on a bus seat for 'laughs'.  Character?  I dunno.

SpezDispenser wrote:A buddy of mine whose family billeted a ton of 67s said that they all disliked Bickell.  He was apparently a real arsehole, he once took a crap on a bus seat for 'laughs'.  Character?  I dunno.

Then he'll be perfect in Philly:

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/06/flyers-prospects-to-Dung-the-beach.html

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:
I can see the Sens maybe flipping their pick to Philly with Wiercioch going the other way to move up to get a guy like Domi... maybe NJ as both those teams needs some younger players on the back end but other than that... 

This would surprise me. With Gonchar gone, they'll need a good puck mover out there. Any idea how close Ceci is at this point?

I'm actually of the opinion that Ceci could be a lot closer than most people think. He would still need a bit of time in Bingo to learn from Richardson, and when he comes up to Ottawa he will be sheltered, for sure, but he's physically mature enough now.

He's not replacing Gonchar's minutes; that would be Karlsson. Gryba will play 2nd pairing just like he did for most of last season.

Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Gryba
Phillips-Ceci

That could well be the lineup in the near future but I don't think it's the lineup to start the season. Realistically speaking Ceci is probably not getting more than a sniff this coming season, though.

In any case, if by some miracle Ceci can come up after a couple of months under Richardson, we still need someone to play the right side until then. Our third pairing could be Wiercioch-Phillips. But if Wiercioch is not in their long-term plans and will be used in a trade for a winger, then that will happen before the start of the season, so we still need someone. There's Borowiecki, Benoit could still be re-signed, Wideman, Blood, etc.

I agree. I think Ceci will be in the lineup this year. Perhaps not at the start of the season, but certainly at some point.

I'm a firm believer that Cowen is used as bait to acquire the top winger. While I believe the Sens missed Cowen this past year, they survived without him. Add in a very poor playoff performance, a weak showing in the WJHC the last two tourneys he was involved, and his past health issues - I think this would be the time to trade Cowen. He hasn't bloomed offensively as originally hoped and I don't think he's monumentally better than Gryba defensively. Yes, he's a big body and a physical force, but I say trade him while his value is high.

I like the thought of Cowen and Puempel to Edmonton for Eberle. I think that solves a lot of issues for both teams - especially with Edmonton likely taking Monahan with the #7 if this indeed comes to fruition. It might take more from both sides to get that trade done - but Eberle would be the perfect fit in Ottawa as would Cowen in Edmonton.

I realize this trade proposal leaves a big hole in our defence but the acquisition of someone like Bogosian or even perhaps Z.Michalek fills that hole quite nicely. You also have to assume that any d-man in Vancouver is up for grabs for a low-cost roster player.

I'd like Ottawa to really consider acquiring the following players to address theit top six:
- Nick Bjugstad
- Patrik Berglund
- Josh Bailey
- Blake Wheeler
- Loui Eriksson
- Jamie Benn

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:With Gonchar gone yah, the top 4 might take a hit but how good does your #4 guy have to be playing behind Karlsson.  Everyone talks about this puck mover but fact of the matter is Karlsson is going to be playing an average of 1:59 on every PP Ottawa gets going forward and they are going to try and mold Cowen into the big shot from the point.  Do they need a guy who can control the blueline and move the puck who is a LH shot?  Yah they do and maybe that is Wiercioch but he struggles at the best of times with a lot of defensive zone coverage and does get caught up ice a lot... those things can be fixed over time for sure.

Maybe they move a guy like Da Costa... not sure, just saying that it will cost something decent to move up in this draft like all others.

Campbell sucks defensively though.  I'm no longer a fan of that guy, even if it would make our PP better.  No doubt we need an offensive minded D-man though, but Murray was so quick to jettison Gonchar, he either really believes in Wiercioch - which goes against what Mac did in the playoffs - or he has a plan.  

Or maybe Murray knew his demands and was unwilling to agree to the term or $$$.

Apparently the Sens offered a 1 yr deal.. Gonchar wanted 2 yrs and wouldn't take a paycut...