SENS OFF-SEASON TALK 2013

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I think they tell you to take out one of the 1sts and put in Cowen personally.

That was my thought too - they'd be asking for Cowen instead of Wiercioch or one of the firsts.

With an extension, you do it IMO. That's a friggin ton to give up, but it's arguably the best player in the world.

FYP

Wait, i can't stop holding my sides

What does Crosby have on Malkin?

LeKing wrote:Of course it's arguable, what are you talking about?
When Crosby is out, Malkin is the best player in the world no matter what defenders play against him, and you even said that the other day, so I don't think you can use that argument.
I'd take Crosby over Malkin, but to say it isn't even arguable is wrong IMO.

LeKing wrote:Of course it's arguable, what are you talking about?
When Crosby is out, Malkin is the best player in the world no matter what defenders play against him, and you even said that the other day, so I don't think you can use that argument.
I'd take Crosby over Malkin, but to say it isn't even arguable is wrong IMO.

TheAvatar wrote:

LeKing wrote:Of course it's arguable, what are you talking about?
When Crosby is out, Malkin is the best player in the world no matter what defenders play against him, and you even said that the other day, so I don't think you can use that argument.
I'd take Crosby over Malkin, but to say it isn't even arguable is wrong IMO.

Plus, I wonder how long Crosby's career is going to be. Is he just another big blow away?

TheAvatar wrote:

LeKing wrote:Of course it's arguable, what are you talking about?
When Crosby is out, Malkin is the best player in the world no matter what defenders play against him, and you even said that the other day, so I don't think you can use that argument.
I'd take Crosby over Malkin, but to say it isn't even arguable is wrong IMO.

Plus, I wonder how long Crosby's career is going to be. Is he just another big blow away?

Ev wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:

LeKing wrote:Of course it's arguable, what are you talking about?
When Crosby is out, Malkin is the best player in the world no matter what defenders play against him, and you even said that the other day, so I don't think you can use that argument.
I'd take Crosby over Malkin, but to say it isn't even arguable is wrong IMO.

Plus, I wonder how long Crosby's career is going to be. Is he just another big blow away?

No, he has the same risk as anybody else.

TheAvatar wrote:

Ev wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:

LeKing wrote:Of course it's arguable, what are you talking about?
When Crosby is out, Malkin is the best player in the world no matter what defenders play against him, and you even said that the other day, so I don't think you can use that argument.
I'd take Crosby over Malkin, but to say it isn't even arguable is wrong IMO.

Plus, I wonder how long Crosby's career is going to be. Is he just another big blow away?

No, he has the same risk as anybody else.

I don't believe it.

NEELY wrote:the things about Crosby I question is what drives him. Does he play for his team mates and the love of the game or does he play because he wants to be the best ever... you get the same vibe from him as you did with Lemieux and there are A LOT of people that did not like Mario and still don't.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:the things about Crosby I question is what drives him. Does he play for his team mates and the love of the game or does he play because he wants to be the best ever... you get the same vibe from him as you did with Lemieux and there are A LOT of people that did not like Mario and still don't.

How do you get that vibe though? Crosby has no ego and just goes about his business quietly. He is pretty similar in his captaincy as Alfredsson IMO.

He plays to win, he plays for the passion of the game...

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:the things about Crosby I question is what drives him. Does he play for his team mates and the love of the game or does he play because he wants to be the best ever... you get the same vibe from him as you did with Lemieux and there are A LOT of people that did not like Mario and still don't.

How do you get that vibe though? Crosby has no ego and just goes about his business quietly. He is pretty similar in his captaincy as Alfredsson IMO.

He plays to win, he plays for the passion of the game...

I would say he goes about it privately which is a little different. There is a difference between playing to win (which they all do) and being totally obsessed with it and it getting to the point where that's all that matters. The only other guy who I can really think off that was like that was Pat Roy... he's a goalie which does make a difference, solo position. Mix that in with Lemieux (the biggest baby to ever play) as his mentor and the guy always in his ear and you have the formula for an absolute a$$hole. A guy who is totally obsessed and will whine and cry when things don't go the way he wants them to. He's an Island to himself in that room and on that team, he trains, practices, and plays... don't care what you do in life but if work is all you think about you basically have no friends and no life.

IMO Crosby is a guy that is just an extremely shallow human being with nothing on his mind but hockey. Yah, he's the best player on the planet but that's not the only thing that matters. Truth be told, I don't think he even enjoys playing the game anymore. This is all judgement on my part and I could be 100% wrong but that's how I see it and I know others in the media and NHL see it in a similar light.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:the things about Crosby I question is what drives him. Does he play for his team mates and the love of the game or does he play because he wants to be the best ever... you get the same vibe from him as you did with Lemieux and there are A LOT of people that did not like Mario and still don't.

How do you get that vibe though? Crosby has no ego and just goes about his business quietly. He is pretty similar in his captaincy as Alfredsson IMO.

He plays to win, he plays for the passion of the game...

I would say he goes about it privately which is a little different. There is a difference between playing to win (which they all do) and being totally obsessed with it and it getting to the point where that's all that matters. The only other guy who I can really think off that was like that was Pat Roy... he's a goalie which does make a difference, solo position. Mix that in with Lemieux (the biggest baby to ever play) as his mentor and the guy always in his ear and you have the formula for an absolute a$$hole. A guy who is totally obsessed and will whine and cry when things don't go the way he wants them to. He's an Island to himself in that room and on that team, he trains, practices, and plays... don't care what you do in life but if work is all you think about you basically have no friends and no life.

IMO Crosby is a guy that is just an extremely shallow human being with nothing on his mind but hockey. Yah, he's the best player on the planet but that's not the only thing that matters. Truth be told, I don't think he even enjoys playing the game anymore. This is all judgement on my part and I could be 100% wrong but that's how I see it and I know others in the media and NHL see it in a similar light.

I do think you are wrong and being speculatory in this case (especially him being on an such island, which is 100% false, and there is actual in-the-room media evidence that denies this), but I won't argue your points much further. Crosby is the exact same as a guy like Jonathan Toews, but because he is 150% better, he will get the hate and the criticism.

To say the guy is shallow and has no life and no friends is silly when you just said he's a private person. If he's a private person, which he is and which is a good thing, we don't know what he does outside of the rink. Just because he isn't seen shirtless in a limo with broads doesn't mean he is focusing on hockey 24/7 even in the off-season. Jaromir Jagr probably works harder than Crosby, so I guess he has no life either?

SeawaySensFan wrote:The thing about Roy is he kept needing to prove himself in hockey because his wife kept banging other guys and he felt like less of a man in his private life.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I think they tell you to take out one of the 1sts and put in Cowen personally.

That was my thought too - they'd be asking for Cowen instead of Wiercioch or one of the firsts.

With an extension, you do it IMO. That's a friggin ton to give up, but it's arguably the best player in the world.

FYP