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NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:he is more creative and is a decent playmaker. Has one-on-one ability and good IQ

I've never seen the creativeness that you are talking about, at least in terms of making plays with the puck.  I see a great skater and a great shot who should be the guy going in and getting the puck with his size and strength.  Don't think the IQ is there like you said and that's always been my opinion of him.  Dynamic though.

He shows amazing creativity with the puck when he's feeling confident.  He makes moves that only talent will allow you to make, but I think they want him to take the puck right to the net when he dekes a D-man, not take a perimeter shot.  It probably sounds like an easy fix, but he has to get it into his head to use his size and speed to make D-men challenge one on one and make them take penalties - or better yet, make them get the F out of the way and allow him to crash the net with the puck.

I personally think it's as simple as that.  He crosses the blue line and almost always drifts to the wall and then shoots.  He needs to get that Cussing puck to the net with vigor.  

Making a move with the puck isn't creative, it means he has nice hands.  Creativity is something Spezza has, something Bobby Ryan has, Zibanejad isn't that type of player and doesn't need to be.  He's not a guy that is going to get other guys the puck in tight spaces, see the play develop before everyone else, etc.

Creative isn't the same as explosive.

wprager wrote:Anyone listen to the interview he did for The Drive this afternoon?

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:Anyone listen to the interview he did for The Drive this afternoon?

No, why?  What is he saying?  I know he said that he thinks Ceci will be in the NHL soon-ish.

NEELY wrote:Creativity is IQ, simple as that.  To me those words are interchangeable in terms of describing a hockey player.  Zibanejad's hockey IQ isn't at an elite level and never has been and never will be.  He will beat goalies with his shot, he will beat D men with his speed, and he will gain control and keep control of the puck by being physical.  

If you want to argue he can do neat things with the puck and that's creative?  Sure, why not.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:he is more creative and is a decent playmaker. Has one-on-one ability and good IQ

I've never seen the creativeness that you are talking about, at least in terms of making plays with the puck.  I see a great skater and a great shot who should be the guy going in and getting the puck with his size and strength.  Don't think the IQ is there like you said and that's always been my opinion of him.  Dynamic though.

He shows amazing creativity with the puck when he's feeling confident.  He makes moves that only talent will allow you to make, but I think they want him to take the puck right to the net when he dekes a D-man, not take a perimeter shot.  It probably sounds like an easy fix, but he has to get it into his head to use his size and speed to make D-men challenge one on one and make them take penalties - or better yet, make them get the F out of the way and allow him to crash the net with the puck.

I personally think it's as simple as that.  He crosses the blue line and almost always drifts to the wall and then shoots.  He needs to get that Cussing puck to the net with vigor.  

Making a move with the puck isn't creative, it means he has nice hands.  Creativity is something Spezza has, something Bobby Ryan has, Zibanejad isn't that type of player and doesn't need to be.  He's not a guy that is going to get other guys the puck in tight spaces, see the play develop before everyone else, etc.

Creative isn't the same as explosive.

I don't know if you can quantify nice hands or creativity, but I understand what you mean now.  He's not in the realm of Spezza in terms of creativity.  Funnily enough, I haven't seen Ryan be too creative with the puck yet, I think he'll slowly fall into that mould.  Big, nice skill set, needs to get to the net.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Creativity is IQ, simple as that.  To me those words are interchangeable in terms of describing a hockey player.  Zibanejad's hockey IQ isn't at an elite level and never has been and never will be.  He will beat goalies with his shot, he will beat D men with his speed, and he will gain control and keep control of the puck by being physical.  

If you want to argue he can do neat things with the puck and that's creative?  Sure, why not.

The doesn't have high IQ arguments went out the door last year. He makes some plays that only creative players can. Silfverberg is said to have great IQ and he outshone him immensely and was far more creative.

Yes he will be primarily a goal scorer, though, and he will learn to use his body more and crash the net with age and time.

His IQ doesn't need to be elite with his tools. It's a strength though.

Ev wrote:He is the next Ryan Kesler.

Again I am right in my analysis

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:He is the next Ryan Kesler.

Again I am right in my analysis

More of a Fisher IMO but we'll see as time goes on.  Don't think he ever scores over 30.

LeKing wrote:That one timer on the PP alone is better than Fisher ever did

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:He is the next Ryan Kesler.

Again I am right in my analysis

More of a Fisher IMO but we'll see as time goes on.  Don't think he ever scores over 30.

Bet worthy!!?!?   

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:He is the next Ryan Kesler.

Again I am right in my analysis

More of a Fisher IMO but we'll see as time goes on.  Don't think he ever scores over 30.

Bet worthy!!?!?   

It could be a 20 year bet... it's basically an over under.  29.5 the over/under for his career high?