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I am not an advocate of this and am certainly not an advocate of having two 1st (full) year goalies but I wonder what the market for Anderson would be? I really don't know but I don't think you could ever get more for him than you could now.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear some 'rumours' about it.

I find it unlikely they trade the pick. We need to draft a defenceman, Borowiecki looks like the only one in our system most likely to make any sort of impact at the NHL level. I'm just going to dream that Ceci falls to 15

honestly really don't want Ceci. Just find him so awkward skating-wise and we don't really need a pure PP guy (which he basically is).

I was looking at Craig's List as reference, so if you disagree with his rankings you may not entirely agree with this. There are only 6 forwards in the top-15, to go along with 8 defensemen and a goalie. Once you get out of the top-five there will be less picking of the BPA and more for specific needs. By the time you get to the 11-15 picks you're bound to see a few taken that are ranked 20th and lower. In other words, the correlation between ranking order and actual draft order goes out the window.

With that many defensemen in the top-15 there is a good chance that someone from the top-10 will fall to 15. But I agree about Ceci. He is not overly physical for someone his size, and he's not the best skater. Borowiecki will give us that physical presence which, to be honest, I thought we were lacking (Cowen should improve in that respect) and don't forget Wiercioch is still toiling away down on the farm if we are looking for another skilled puck mover. I'd love to get a tough, gritty guy with a ton of character -- any available in the top 20?

Riprock wrote:I don't believe it, just saying it would have to be for a huge player. If the Sens trae Lehner they are looking at the short-term (the Anderson era) as opposed to the post-Anderson era.

They do have Bishop.

A goalie in the 1st round is a waste of a first round pick. The best goaltenders hardly ever come from the first round. Maybe if you had a pick to throw away then sure, go for it but the Sens don't. You can pretty much bet it won't happen.

3 Vezina finalist this year... yah. Tim Thomas, Kipper, Anderson, Holtby, Bishop, Lehner (for Sens fans), etc, etc. Dumbest thing you can do is drop a 1st on a goaltender in a draft unless you have multiple picks.

2nd, 3rd rounds, sure, take a shot. I don't see Lehner going anywhere unless it's the center piece of a deal getting back a young, established player with star potential if not already a star.

It's not that trading Lehner may or may not make sense, it's the fact that you have a guy with all the criteria in the system to be a major part of a Cup run. Lehner has the pedigree, he's won a championship in the organization already, he's young, he's under control, he has stunning competitiveness, he's cool.

Trading him would be a mistake. Rather just go with our roster than make a move involving him or Silfverberg. Other guys...maybe, those 2...no.

That said...look out, if Alfie comes back (which he will IMO), Murray might try to hit a couple of huge home runs via trade or UFA to land a couple of game breakers to try to win next year (which would still be damn cool).

I still think Lehner is the more talented commodity than Bishop, but if sens org has soured on Lehner because of his behaviour or whatever then I can see them trading him. But I'm certain they don't want to give up on a calder cup MVP considering the past record.

Ideally, they play Bishop alot and get him to raise his trade value next season. If he can produce knock-out numbers, they should look to trade him for a bonafide and established star player.

I'm assuming today is locker clean out day and state address by Bryan Murray. Anyone know if this is a fact?

Lehner is 20 years old, I don't think there is a chance in the world they trade a guy who has franchise written all over him. It doesn't make any sense at all really.

wprager wrote:I was looking at Craig's List as reference, so if you disagree with his rankings you may not entirely agree with this. There are only 6 forwards in the top-15, to go along with 8 defensemen and a goalie. Once you get out of the top-five there will be less picking of the BPA and more for specific needs. By the time you get to the 11-15 picks you're bound to see a few taken that are ranked 20th and lower. In other words, the correlation between ranking order and actual draft order goes out the window.

With that many defensemen in the top-15 there is a good chance that someone from the top-10 will fall to 15. But I agree about Ceci. He is not overly physical for someone his size, and he's not the best skater. Borowiecki will give us that physical presence which, to be honest, I thought we were lacking (Cowen should improve in that respect) and don't forget Wiercioch is still toiling away down on the farm if we are looking for another skilled puck mover. I'd love to get a tough, gritty guy with a ton of character -- any available in the top 20?

No, teams draft their own BPA, they don't take the BPA off some hack list that's offered to the public. Most first round picks should not be picked based on need.

as for those tough d-men, there are some but using a 15th pick on one would be a waste unless they also have good offence.

Big Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:I was looking at Craig's List as reference, so if you disagree with his rankings you may not entirely agree with this. There are only 6 forwards in the top-15, to go along with 8 defensemen and a goalie. Once you get out of the top-five there will be less picking of the BPA and more for specific needs. By the time you get to the 11-15 picks you're bound to see a few taken that are ranked 20th and lower. In other words, the correlation between ranking order and actual draft order goes out the window.

With that many defensemen in the top-15 there is a good chance that someone from the top-10 will fall to 15. But I agree about Ceci. He is not overly physical for someone his size, and he's not the best skater. Borowiecki will give us that physical presence which, to be honest, I thought we were lacking (Cowen should improve in that respect) and don't forget Wiercioch is still toiling away down on the farm if we are looking for another skilled puck mover. I'd love to get a tough, gritty guy with a ton of character -- any available in the top 20?

No, teams draft their own BPA, they don't take the BPA off some hack list that's offered to the public. Most first round picks should not be picked based on need.

as for those tough d-men, there are some but using a 15th pick on one would be a waste unless they also have good offence.

Exactly. There is a reason the Sens took Noesen with the 21st overall and didn't wait until the 2nd round like "experts" suggested.

Michallica wrote:I'm assuming today is locker clean out day and state address by Bryan Murray. Anyone know if this is a fact?

Yup. Here are some notable tweets from Ian Mendes:

Peter Regin says his shoulder is better. As for free agent status: "I hope we can get something done so I can come back here."

Carkner says he could have done something "drastic" to his knee to play Game 7. But he probably wouldn't have been able to play next series.

Don't expect a decision on Alfredsson's future before middle of May. If he plays for Sweden at Worlds, that delays decision even more.

Winchester confirms he dealt with concussion symptoms in Game 4 -- and that's why he left series. Doesn't know how/when it happened.

The player they get at 15 may even be ready for the NHL.

Ottawa picking 15 is huge. Here are just 15 players off the top of my head. D in bold.

Nail Yakupov
Alex Galchenyuk
Ryan Murray
Mikhail Grigorenko
Filip Forsberg
Teuvo Teravainen
Matt Dumba
Morgan Rielly
Griffin Reinhart
Jacob Trouba
Cody Ceci
Olli Maatta
Sebastian Collberg
Radek Faksa
Brendan Gaunce

I think Ottawa is guaranteed to get a high-end D here if they want one.

Then there are some other good ones after that like riser D Hampus Lindholm out of Sweden, D Slater Koekkoek, winger Pontus Aberg, Latvian Zemgus Girgensons, D Derrick Pouliot out of Portland (tearing it up in the playoffs), etc. etc. etc.

Really excited to see who we are gonna get.

IF we pick at 15 though...big if.

EDIT: Although I should have said thanks for posting that, I'm trying to get up to speed with the draft.

SpezDispenser wrote:IF we pick at 15 though...big if.

EDIT: Although I should have said thanks for posting that, I'm trying to get up to speed with the draft.

What do you mean big if?

SpezDispenser wrote:IF we pick at 15 though...big if.

EDIT: Although I should have said thanks for posting that, I'm trying to get up to speed with the draft.

You think they're trading that pick?

SpezDispenser wrote:It's not that trading Lehner may or may not make sense, it's the fact that you have a guy with all the criteria in the system to be a major part of a Cup run. Lehner has the pedigree, he's won a championship in the organization already, he's young, he's under control, he has stunning competitiveness, he's cool.

Trading him would be a mistake. Rather just go with our roster than make a move involving him or Silfverberg. Other guys...maybe, those 2...no.

That said...look out, if Alfie comes back (which he will IMO), Murray might try to hit a couple of huge home runs via trade or UFA to land a couple of game breakers to try to win next year (which would still be damn cool).

There's a bit of a contradiction here. If they swing for the fences in a trade, they're probably trading people that we assign a lot of value to. Two of those guys are Lehner and Silf.