2012/13 Lineup

NEELY wrote:Garrison is moving on for sure. This may indeed be his only pay day and it very well could be a case of buyer beware. Penner is a guy that looks like might get an extension by the Kings based on this playoff. If they win the cup he's staying.

He's doing well under Sutter. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Just read that article and I feel confident in saying that's not a picture of Penner attached to it.

Flo The Action wrote:see I disagree, pumpel could end up being a second line sniper we need. Note sure if he could become a 1st liner but you need one of those guys on the second line. Zib seems more of a gamble at times. he can play the NHL I don't doubt but can he be an effective productive top 6 as he was slotted leaves to be confirmed.

He is guaranteed to be an effective top 6 player. Matt Puempel has a long ways to go before even getting into an NHL game. Zibanejad already has 9.

Well? After one day of FA, how're we gonna line up?

Michalek/Spezza/Silfverberg
Latendresse/Turris/Alfi
Stone/Regin/Neil
Greening/JOB/Smith
Daugavins/Condra

Methot/Karlsson
Cowen/Gonchar
Phillips/Lundin-Borowiecki
Lundin-Borowiecki

Anderson
Bishop (still think he may be dealt).
Lehner

Don't think Zibanejad will make it out of camp, believe he has regressed a little whether it's his fault or not. Don't think the Sens are all that happy with him either and he needs to start to figure out how to put up some numbers at a lower level before he can do it in the NHL. you don't draft a kid 6th overall to be a 20-20 guy on your third line.

As for the lineup, I think it's better than what they finished the year with. A guy like Karlsson you want someone who will stick up for him game in and game out. Methot or Cowen is a tough bell to answer. Last year whether it was E.Kane taking a run or Boyle, there was no response from Kuba and IMO that's where they wanted the change.

Up front, not a huge Foligno fan and I love Latendresse game so this is easily a step up if Latendresse's concussion issues are behind him. He's a guy whp's worst year in goals will be better than Foligno's best. That's what you need in your top 2 lines, a guy who can out the puck in the net.

Lundin, solid depth, that's it. Simply a plug until more guys are ready or at least prove they are. Sens will run with 14 forwards and 7 D this year for sure.

Also, people saying the Sens a ton of toughness yesterday... where is this coming from? Between Konopka and Carkner they didn't even play a full season. I think they were both huge in the playoffs but they are not everyday players. Your everday players that were moved out yesterday were Kuba and Folgino, Methot and Latendresse are tougher than both of them on every level.

The Sens added every day toughness yesterday, didn't subtract. The Sens are quickly becoming a very big team. Spezza, Michalek (those 2 play a little smaller) Greening, Smith, Latendresse, Stone, Neosen, Zibanejad, Sifverberg, Neil, these guys are large. Back end the only guy who (long term) that isn't a tough player is Karlsson but he has a Norris and will be an all-star for the next 15 years. Methot, Borowiecki, Cowen, Phillips, these guys are all big and play hard.

Sens won't be pushed around because they can't be. An elephant isn't the toughest or most aggressive animal but you mess with one and your face will be stomped in.

NEELY wrote:Michalek/Spezza/Silfverberg
Latendresse/Turris/Alfi
Stone/Regin/Neil
Greening/JOB/Smith
Daugavins/Condra

Methot/Karlsson
Cowen/Gonchar
Phillips/Lundin-Borowiecki
Lundin-Borowiecki

Anderson
Bishop (still think he may be dealt).
Lehner

Don't think Zibanejad will make it out of camp, believe he has regressed a little whether it's his fault or not. Don't think the Sens are all that happy with him either and he needs to start to figure out how to put up some numbers at a lower level before he can do it in the NHL. you don't draft a kid 6th overall to be a 20-20 guy on your third line.

As for the lineup, I think it's better than what they finished the year with. A guy like Karlsson you want someone who will stick up for him game in and game out. Methot or Cowen is a tough bell to answer. Last year whether it was E.Kane taking a run or Boyle, there was no response from Kuba and IMO that's where they wanted the change.

Up front, not a huge Foligno fan and I love Latendresse game so this is easily a step up if Latendresse's concussion issues are behind him. He's a guy whp's worst year in goals will be better than Foligno's best. That's what you need in your top 2 lines, a guy who can out the puck in the net.

Lundin, solid depth, that's it. Simply a plug until more guys are ready or at least prove they are. Sens will run with 14 forwards and 7 D this year for sure.

I had Alfie and Silfverberg flipped between the two top lines but that was my top-six as well. In the bottom six, though, you have JOB and Daugavins -- both RFAs yet unsigned. If both are signed we are up to 48 contracts with DaCosta and Gryba being the other two. Then there's Ceci -- no need to sign him yet, but if he shows well in camp, who knows. Right now, without more moves, it's between Gryba, Ceci and one of Lundin/Boro playing their off-side. If Ceci outplays the others he'll need a contract.

I think it's going to be Bishop+ for a top-four RH defenseman. We need this just to reach the floor. Boyle will bring us to the floor, and at 35 he can still be effective for the 2 years left on his contract. Ottawa native, could work with Ceci next year, probably could be had for a lot less when his current contract expires. Bishop+ for Boyle+? But then where does he play 5-5? He's not a bottom pairing guy, and neither is Gonchar. And if we move Gonchar we're not much further ahead getting to the floor.

Latendresse is in no way tougher than Nick Foligno, being a big guy doesn't always equal toughness.

Also, in regards to the RHD question, apparently Lundin can play the right side. I'd have to find the article again, but it listed him as being able to play both sides.

stempniaksen wrote:Latendresse is in no way tougher than Nick Foligno, being a big guy doesn't always equal toughness.

Also, in regards to the RHD question, apparently Lundin can play the right side. I'd have to find the article again, but it listed him as being able to play both sides.

Didn't say he was tougher. I just thought we were getting smaller up-front and we're not.

Lundin may be able to play the right side but as NEELY has been saying for a while we need an actual RH shot to slap the puck off the boards on the PK. How many times, last year, did Gonchar have to spin around and slap it the other way to Phillips? After a few times the right-side point figured it out and were on Phillips like flies on poop before the puck got there.

Latendresse, in Montreal, was a cheap shot artist. I hope he has matured and I hope if he hasn't that Murray and MacLean aren't afraid to send him down.

wprager wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Latendresse is in no way tougher than Nick Foligno, being a big guy doesn't always equal toughness.

Also, in regards to the RHD question, apparently Lundin can play the right side. I'd have to find the article again, but it listed him as being able to play both sides.

Didn't say he was tougher. I just thought we were getting smaller up-front and we're not.

Lundin may be able to play the right side but as NEELY has been saying for a while we need an actual RH shot to slap the puck off the boards on the PK. How many times, last year, did Gonchar have to spin around and slap it the other way to Phillips? After a few times the right-side point figured it out and were on Phillips like flies on poop before the puck got there.

First part wasn't directed at you. As far as needing RHD, I think it's a bunch of BS. I'm all for playing guys on the side they are most comfortable with (which is typically the side of their handedness) but if a guy has transitioned to playing his off-hand he learns to make adjustements. Lundin is apparently a very good penalty killer, so having him line-up on the top PK pairing with a guy like Phillips or Methot would be fine, imo.

Honestly, I'd be much more worried about the PP because after Karlsson and Gonchar there is nothing. Phillips put up some points last year, but I don't think you can give him all-situation minutes anymore. Cowen could work because of his big shot, but he makes weird decision sometimes that could lead to odd man rushes (something that he could fix obviously) and Methot, Lundin and Boro are next to useless on the PP.

Latendresse-Spezza-Michalek
Silfverberg-Turris-Alfredsson
Regin-Smith-Zibanejad/Condra
Greening-OBrien-Neil
Condra/Daugavins

not even sure Daugavins will be be back.

Big Ev wrote:not even sure Alfredsson will be be back.

fyp.

there's no doubt in my mind that Alfredsson will be back.

sens4win wrote:

Big Ev wrote:not even sure Alfredsson will be be back.

fyp.

Just read this tweet:

steffeG
#11 is back. Huzzah! #Sens

Apparently the Sens are one of the teams in on Bobby Ryan.

wprager wrote:Apparently the Sens are one of the teams in on Bobby Ryan.

Probably could have used foligno as bait for him. That said, source?