All Playoff Talk... All the Time... 2012 Edition

I hope the Caps can pull it off tonight just so we get more drama out of the 2nd round. Also, I like watching the Caps a lot more than the Rags...they are more...unpredictable.

Big Ev wrote:We should be in the Devils position right now

Yeah it's a little tough to swallow right now

hemlock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I firmly believe that was JVR's last game as a Flyer. No D in Philly, they need to package him up for a top pairing D-man. Let the rumours begin!

What's Pronger's status though? That will make a huge difference if they are able to bring him back. Still, with an embarrassment of riches up front, JVR could easily be moved for a stud d-man.

Out almost a full year with post concussion...doesn't sound great. Plus he signed that deal as an over 35 year old - so if he's forced to retire...no cap relief for The Flyers.

I was thinking more in terms of if he is back do they need a N1 D-man, at least in the short term? You're right though, it doesn't sound good for that gap-toothed prick.

If he comes back 100% then I'd say they have a strong Desire, but without him, they have an old Timonen and a whole bunch of average. Pronger makes such a huge difference.

Question is: what can they package with JVR to get a top pairing guy?

SpezDispenser wrote:
Question is: what can they package with JVR to get a top pairing guy?

Maybe that long rumored trade for Schenn will finally happen, not that he's a top pairing guy.

Pronger is done, no? I mean the guy is old AND having serious head problems.

tim1_2 wrote:Pronger is done, no? I mean the guy is old AND having serious head problems.

Also, he's a douchebag.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Question is: what can they package with JVR to get a top pairing guy?

Maybe that long rumored trade for Schenn will finally happen, not that he's a top pairing guy.

Not sure that's good enough any more. I like Schenn - unlike a lot of Toronot fans etc. - but I think the Flyers better package JVR with something else and really try to land a young, top pairing D-man.

We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

I'd seriously consider JVR for Schenn - Luke needs a new home to rejuvenate his career before he is ruined by playing in the most mentally tough city.

Since his (Schenn's) value might be at a low, they should try to grab him and a pick or more for JVR. Philly's got enough scoring upfront. Timmonen, Carle and even Coburn (and of course Pronger when healthy) provide some coring from the backend.

SpezDispenser wrote:
We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

Oh boy, not sure they (Philly) are in a position to do that, not with Bryzgalov's contract, + a looming ~$5M of possible retirement from Pronger. Scary situation in a cap world.

How many young top pairing defensemen are realistically available ? I think they hold more value than JVR, who isn't really anything special right now.

Riprock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

Oh boy, not sure they (Philly) are in a position to do that, not with Bryzgalov's contract, + a looming ~$5M of possible retirement from Pronger. Scary situation in a cap world.

Very scary. We'll see what they end up doing, but without a top pairing D-man, they're Cussed IMO.

Holmgren has always played this like it was NHL12 and now it's about to bite him in the arse. Briere on the move? I would say that's a terrible mistake. JVR on the move? For what though? A young D-man will cost a similar amount. Suter to the Flyers? You're right, they have zero $$.

JVR + something for a young top pairing D-man sounds like something that could happen, but I agree with Hoags, where in the heck are they gonna find a dance partner for that. JVR for Schenn straight up makes some sense, but again, I hold Schenn in higher regard than most I think.

One thing's for sure: Dung's gonna go down in Philly this off-season.

PS - was anyone else as disappointed in Grossman as I was this playoffs? The dude did nothing.

Riprock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

Oh boy, not sure they (Philly) are in a position to do that, not with Bryzgalov's contract, + a looming ~$5M of possible retirement from Pronger. Scary situation in a cap world.

Philly will keep Pronger on LTIR for as long as they can to avoid a retirement/cap hit situation...

If Pronger is "forced" into retirement due to medical issues, does his salary still count against the cap?

Suter has been rumoured to be Philly's Pronger-replacement.

tim1_2 wrote:If Pronger is "forced" into retirement due to medical issues, does his salary still count against the cap?

Suter has been rumoured to be Philly's Pronger-replacement.

Pronger is a 35+ contract, currently NOTHING can remove it from the cap, he could die, get kidnapped by aliens etc.

shabbs wrote:

Riprock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

Oh boy, not sure they (Philly) are in a position to do that, not with Bryzgalov's contract, + a looming ~$5M of possible retirement from Pronger. Scary situation in a cap world.

Philly will keep Pronger on LTIR for as long as they can to avoid a retirement/cap hit situation...

Good point. Does it count against the cap if he gets injured and placed on the LTIR because he's 35+?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Question is: what can they package with JVR to get a top pairing guy?

Maybe that long rumored trade for Schenn will finally happen, not that he's a top pairing guy.

Not sure that's good enough any more. I like Schenn - unlike a lot of Toronot fans etc. - but I think the Flyers better package JVR with something else and really try to land a young, top pairing D-man.

We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

While I'm sure it was an accident, I quite like "Toronot"

Hoags wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:If Pronger is "forced" into retirement due to medical issues, does his salary still count against the cap?

Suter has been rumoured to be Philly's Pronger-replacement.

Pronger is a 35+ contract, currently NOTHING can remove it from the cap, he could die, get kidnapped by aliens etc.

Does LTIR not remove it from the cap?

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Question is: what can they package with JVR to get a top pairing guy?

Maybe that long rumored trade for Schenn will finally happen, not that he's a top pairing guy.

Not sure that's good enough any more. I like Schenn - unlike a lot of Toronot fans etc. - but I think the Flyers better package JVR with something else and really try to land a young, top pairing D-man.

We'll see...maybe Holmgren will offer Suter something he can't refuse. If there ever was a time to do that, now's the time.

While I'm sure it was an accident, I quite like "Toronot"

That works well for them.