FINAL 3 Ottawa Senators @ 0 NY Rangers Jan 12, 2012 7pm.

SpezDispenser wrote:Time to go get that thumping bottom pair D-man - unless Carkner wants to step up.

I hope Carkner never sees the ice from here on out.

I wouldn't trade anything of any real signifigant value for a pure rental at this point... aside from the 1st rounder every single pick could be traded and it really wouldn't matter. Ottawa has prospects coming out of everywhere and there is literally only so many players you can have in an organization.

SpezDispenser wrote:...and maybe a back-up goalie - unless Auld wants to step up.

That is an issue for sure.

NEELY wrote:If Ottawa beats the Jets on Monday, that burries the Jets in terms of them finishing ahead of Ottawa.

Go look at the standings... Buffalo and Montreal are what? 13 and 14 points back? You know the two teams that were supposed to be playoff guarantees.

Even if people use the games in hand thing, those teams have to win all of their games to jump ahead of the Sens and that's not going to happen.

If they win all their games in hand, they still won't even tie the Sens, let alone jump ahead of them.

Still, there's lots of hockey to be played. Saying that the Jets' chances of catching up will be buried at this stage in the season is ridiculous. It's unlikely that they'll catch up, but it's definitely not a sure thing yet.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:If Ottawa beats the Jets on Monday, that burries the Jets in terms of them finishing ahead of Ottawa.

Go look at the standings... Buffalo and Montreal are what? 13 and 14 points back? You know the two teams that were supposed to be playoff guarantees.

Even if people use the games in hand thing, those teams have to win all of their games to jump ahead of the Sens and that's not going to happen.

If they win all their games in hand, they still won't even tie the Sens, let alone jump ahead of them.

Still, there's lots of hockey to be played. Saying that the Jets' chances of catching up will be buried at this stage in the season is ridiculous. It's unlikely that they'll catch up, but it's definitely not a sure thing yet.

Sens win on Monday night and they have no chance. Double digit points lead with less than 1/2 the season to go is pretty close to impossible to overcome. Like I said, NJ won something like 20 of 24 last year at one point and still had no chance and didn't even sniff the playoffs... Any team 10 plus points back of another team at this point will not catch them in the standings unless it's a team that bottoms out and gives up on the year.

NEELY wrote:I wouldn't trade anything of any real signifigant value for a pure rental at this point... aside from the 1st rounder every single pick could be traded and it really wouldn't matter. Ottawa has prospects coming out of everywhere and there is literally only so many players you can have in an organization.

I'd trade the 1st for Bogosian...we don't have a ton of D prospects outside of Gryba, Boro and maybe Blood.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:I wouldn't trade anything of any real signifigant value for a pure rental at this point... aside from the 1st rounder every single pick could be traded and it really wouldn't matter. Ottawa has prospects coming out of everywhere and there is literally only so many players you can have in an organization.

I'd trade the 1st for Bogosian...we don't have a ton of D prospects outside of Gryba, Boro and maybe Blood.

Wiercoich, Wideman, Claeson... Ottawa has their top 2 D men for the next 10-15 years. They can add depth from anywhere now, especially if they continue to win games.

Haha, remember when we got Michalek for Heatley.

NEELY wrote:

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:If Ottawa beats the Jets on Monday, that burries the Jets in terms of them finishing ahead of Ottawa.

Go look at the standings... Buffalo and Montreal are what? 13 and 14 points back? You know the two teams that were supposed to be playoff guarantees.

Even if people use the games in hand thing, those teams have to win all of their games to jump ahead of the Sens and that's not going to happen.

If they win all their games in hand, they still won't even tie the Sens, let alone jump ahead of them.

Still, there's lots of hockey to be played. Saying that the Jets' chances of catching up will be buried at this stage in the season is ridiculous. It's unlikely that they'll catch up, but it's definitely not a sure thing yet.

Sens win on Monday night and they have no chance. Double digit points lead with less than 1/2 the season to go is pretty close to impossible to overcome. Like I said, NJ won something like 20 of 24 last year at one point and still had no chance and didn't even sniff the playoffs... Any team 10 plus points back of another team at this point will not catch them in the standings unless it's a team that bottoms out and gives up on the year.

Weren't the NJD in dead last when they started that run? Either way, if WPG wins both games-in-hand (not at all out of the question), they're only 5 points behind. Not exactly insurmountable.

Even then they need to win another 3 in a row and Otawa lose 3 in a row for them to touch them in the standings... not gonna happen.

its way to early to be saying teams like WPG cant catch us, cmon guys all it takes is a hot streak by another team and a cold streak by us and we could still fall. Lets not get cocky. One game at a time. I still have faith we can iwn the division

KidKarlsson wrote:its way to early to be saying teams like WPG cant catch us, cmon guys all it takes is a hot streak by another team and a cold streak by us and we could still fall. Lets not get cocky. One game at a time. I still have faith we can iwn the division

5 game winning streak by the Jets with the worst travel in the NHL and a 3 game losing skid for the Sens while losing to the Jets in the process... I'll take my chances when I say the Jets won't touch them nor will anyone below the Jets in the standings.

NEELY wrote:Even then they need to win another 3 in a row and Otawa lose 3 in a row for them to touch them in the standings... not gonna happen.

Ha. Ya. They have to be "in a row" because...why exactly? They can't win 3 more out of the remaining 30+ games?

Yeah, I'm not ready to enjoy the playoff spot lock yet. I'm loving this team though...

NEELY wrote:

KidKarlsson wrote:its way to early to be saying teams like WPG cant catch us, cmon guys all it takes is a hot streak by another team and a cold streak by us and we could still fall. Lets not get cocky. One game at a time. I still have faith we can iwn the division

5 game winning streak by the Jets with the worst travel in the NHL and a 3 game losing skid for the Sens while losing to the Jets in the process... I'll take my chances when I say the Jets won't touch them nor will anyone below the Jets in the standings.

Is that what you're saying? That they "won't"? I was sure you were saying that they "can't."

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Even then they need to win another 3 in a row and Otawa lose 3 in a row for them to touch them in the standings... not gonna happen.

Ha. Ya. They have to be "in a row" because...why exactly? They can't win 3 more out of the remaining 30+ games?

exactly, its not like we are in the final 10 games of the season... 30+ games still leaves a lot of room for fluctuation.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Even then they need to win another 3 in a row and Otawa lose 3 in a row for them to touch them in the standings... not gonna happen.

Ha. Ya. They have to be "in a row" because...why exactly? They can't win 3 more out of the remaining 30+ games?

Kind of missed the point there. Anyways, if Ottawa beats the Jets Monday night there's basically no chance the Jets touch them in the standings. That was my original statement. 10 points or more and it's over.

KidKarlsson wrote:

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Even then they need to win another 3 in a row and Otawa lose 3 in a row for them to touch them in the standings... not gonna happen.

Ha. Ya. They have to be "in a row" because...why exactly? They can't win 3 more out of the remaining 30+ games?

exactly, its not like we are in the final 10 games of the season... 30+ games still leaves a lot of room for fluctuation.

No, it really doesn't. 3 point games all the time, teams playing back to backs on a lot of nights down the stretch, 10 points is close to impossible to overcome at the top of the standings with less than 1/2 a year to go.