GAME DAY: Edmonton Oilers @ Ottawa Senators - 7:30pm ET - MON. Nov. 29, 2010

SpezDispenser wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:
The team is in need of more than just the wake up call of moving a long time player. A real look at the potential of the team is needed, no more add a piece or two and we can make a run. This team needs a retooling. There is no need for a complete tear down and rebuild because we have some young talent, an good #1 centre who seems to want to make this his team, great D prospects along with Gonchar and most importantly some real cap space coming up in the summer for the first time since the cap was instituted. I just hope that no resignings of FAs takes place this on this team other than possibly Phillips at a lower price.

Yeah exactly, just re-load please. I realize it's easier said than done, but I'd like to see a couple of new top sixers. Guys who have some moxy, speed, finish. I can't believe we're so fatally slow up front and we treat the f-ing puck like a grenade. What the hell has happened here? I can't believe it, what an epic fall from the days of the CASH line when teams would soil themselves at the sight of Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson.

Oh well, it was due to happen. Team got really good, some players got pretty big payouts, the intensity seemed to get sucked out right from the moment the puck dropped after the Anaheim series. Actually, it started back in the Finals, but was cemented in the free agency period with Fisher getting 4.2, Kelly 2.1, Heatley 7.5 (which was fair for a 50 goal man), Spezza 7 (too much in retrospect), Emery getting 3.7 or whatever it was.

Fisher is a great guy, a decent player, but if you gave Chris Kelly the wingers that Fisher has had over the years, would he really be that far behind? Is it safe to assume that Chris Kelly could have netted 20 goals with more skilled wingers than Ruutu and Neil - over the course of a full season, I think the answer is 'yes'. And that doesn't take anything away from Fisher, it just makes his 4.2 million impossible to swallow right now.

SpezDispenser wrote:Where can we get a winger who can score? We need it now, maybe we can rejuvinate some mojo that way. I can't understand this...why can't we score? I mean...come on, Kovalev, Alfredsson, Spezza, Michalek, Regin, Foligno, Gonchar, Karlsson, Kuba and we can't buy a Cussing goal? What gives?

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

dennycrane wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The rope is tightening on Clouston and Murray. Cuss we need some fresh perspective here in Ottawa, a nice new GM who can pick his own coach. Maybe he wants Clouston, maybe he doesn't, it's up to him.

Whether it's Murray or not, the GM of this team has to have the guts to move a long tenured player if need be.

The team is in need of more than just the wake up call of moving a long time player. A real look at the potential of the team is needed, no more add a piece or two and we can make a run. This team needs a retooling. There is no need for a complete tear down and rebuild because we have some young talent, an good #1 centre who seems to want to make this his team, great D prospects along with Gonchar and most importantly some real cap space coming up in the summer for the first time since the cap was instituted. I just hope that no resignings of FAs takes place this on this team other than possibly Phillips at a lower price.

Ruutu?

No thanks. He may actually be our most wanted player at the deadline. Kills penalties, can score a goal or two and is a pain in the Donkey to play against. He's a luxury on a non-playoff team. You go out and get a player like him once you are a contender.

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

dennycrane wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The rope is tightening on Clouston and Murray. Cuss we need some fresh perspective here in Ottawa, a nice new GM who can pick his own coach. Maybe he wants Clouston, maybe he doesn't, it's up to him.

Whether it's Murray or not, the GM of this team has to have the guts to move a long tenured player if need be.

The team is in need of more than just the wake up call of moving a long time player. A real look at the potential of the team is needed, no more add a piece or two and we can make a run. This team needs a retooling. There is no need for a complete tear down and rebuild because we have some young talent, an good #1 centre who seems to want to make this his team, great D prospects along with Gonchar and most importantly some real cap space coming up in the summer for the first time since the cap was instituted. I just hope that no resignings of FAs takes place this on this team other than possibly Phillips at a lower price.

Ruutu?

Oglethorpe wrote:Kovalev is on pace for 23G, Alfredsson is on pace for 27G. Those are great totals for 37 year olds. Michalek is a streaky 25G scorer coming off his 3rd or 4th knee injury. Regin and Foligno have not proven anything yet, just potential right now. Spezza needs to pick up the goal scoring, but he is at least shooting alot more so I expect him to wind up around 30G if he plays most of the season. Gonchar and Karlsson are tied for 6th on this team in Goal scoring.

SpezDispenser wrote:The sun will come up tomorrow, we're only a few points out of a playoff spot. Maybe we'll be a better team for it - I guess we'll find out.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:this is now Elliott's team pure ans simple.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:this is now Elliott's team pure ans simple.

Or is it??

wprager wrote:I remember listening to the game in the car when the Oilers went up 2-1. I was wondering just >this< much if Clouston shouldn't put in Leclaire just to shake things up.

Big Ev wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:on the other hand, I'm happy for Gerber - he got his revenge on the shaft-o-rama he got in Ottawa

What shaft? He was awful.

SpezDispenser wrote:The rope is tightening on Clouston and Murray. Cuss we need some fresh perspective here in Ottawa, a nice new GM who can pick his own coach. Maybe he wants Clouston, maybe he doesn't, it's up to him.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The rope is tightening on Clouston and Murray. Cuss we need some fresh perspective here in Ottawa, a nice new GM who can pick his own coach. Maybe he wants Clouston, maybe he doesn't, it's up to him.

seems to have done wonders for the Habs

SpezDispenser wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:
The team is in need of more than just the wake up call of moving a long time player. A real look at the potential of the team is needed, no more add a piece or two and we can make a run. This team needs a retooling. There is no need for a complete tear down and rebuild because we have some young talent, an good #1 centre who seems to want to make this his team, great D prospects along with Gonchar and most importantly some real cap space coming up in the summer for the first time since the cap was instituted. I just hope that no resignings of FAs takes place this on this team other than possibly Phillips at a lower price.

Yeah exactly, just re-load please. I realize it's easier said than done, but I'd like to see a couple of new top sixers. Guys who have some moxy, speed, finish. I can't believe we're so fatally slow up front and we treat the f-ing puck like a grenade. What the hell has happened here? I can't believe it, what an epic fall from the days of the CASH line when teams would soil themselves at the sight of Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson.

Oh well, it was due to happen. Team got really good, some players got pretty big payouts, the intensity seemed to get sucked out right from the moment the puck dropped after the Anaheim series. Actually, it started back in the Finals, but was cemented in the free agency period with Fisher getting 4.2, Kelly 2.1, Heatley 7.5 (which was fair for a 50 goal man), Spezza 7 (too much in retrospect), Emery getting 3.7 or whatever it was.

Fisher is a great guy, a decent player, but if you gave Chris Kelly the wingers that Fisher has had over the years, would he really be that far behind? Is it safe to assume that Chris Kelly could have netted 20 goals with more skilled wingers than Ruutu and Neil - over the course of a full season, I think the answer is 'yes'. And that doesn't take anything away from Fisher, it just makes his 4.2 million impossible to swallow right now.

SDH89 wrote:

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

dennycrane wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The rope is tightening on Clouston and Murray. Cuss we need some fresh perspective here in Ottawa, a nice new GM who can pick his own coach. Maybe he wants Clouston, maybe he doesn't, it's up to him.

Whether it's Murray or not, the GM of this team has to have the guts to move a long tenured player if need be.

The team is in need of more than just the wake up call of moving a long time player. A real look at the potential of the team is needed, no more add a piece or two and we can make a run. This team needs a retooling. There is no need for a complete tear down and rebuild because we have some young talent, an good #1 centre who seems to want to make this his team, great D prospects along with Gonchar and most importantly some real cap space coming up in the summer for the first time since the cap was instituted. I just hope that no resignings of FAs takes place this on this team other than possibly Phillips at a lower price.

Ruutu?

Ruutu has been utterly useless this year. Isn't he supposed to be a pest? I may have noticed him once tonight.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

wprager wrote:I remember listening to the game in the car when the Oilers went up 2-1. I was wondering just >this< much if Clouston shouldn't put in Leclaire just to shake things up.

One thing you can be sure of is Ottawa will never pull their goalie when there's still a chance of a come back. The goalie always gets pulled once the game is sufficiently out of reach.

Just so we're clear I don't think Elliott should have been pulled in this game nor do I think it would have made any difference last night.

It's just an observation I've made over the years of watching the Sens. It doesn't seem to matter who the coach is it's usually the same thing - It's a 4 goal minimum before a goalie gets yanked. I have seen it happen after the third goal but that is if they come quite quickly and if it's on a very low number of shots or they're so smelly that you have to plug your nose while watching on TV.