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SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:And Barry Brust (former B-Sens goalie) has just broken Johhny Bower's 55-year old record for most consecutive shutout minutes. He's got 251:41 after the first period. Old record was 249:52. Congratulations Brusty.

Congrats to Brust, he was a massive part of the Sens success in winning a Calder.

Brust had a great regular season the year they went to the Calder Cup... he got them into the playoffs - no doubt about that. But in the playoffs B-Sens were down 3 games to 1 when KK switched to Lehner who won 3 straight OT games onroute to the Calder Cup win and the playoffs MVP.

I know, but without Brust's heroics during the regular season we never would have been in a position to make that run.

That's why hockey is not tennis or golf. It's a team sport.

Flo The Action wrote:does anyone know what the lines were for last night's game? I'd like to get a better picture at who's working well

@PBSens usually lists them. This tweet was from Saturday's pre-game:

PSBSens ‏@PSBSens wrote:

#BSens forward lines: Hoffman-Cannone-Silfverberg; Dziurzynski-Grant-Stone, Prince-Petersson-Zibanejad; Schneider-Pageau-Jessiman

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SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:And Barry Brust (former B-Sens goalie) has just broken Johhny Bower's 55-year old record for most consecutive shutout minutes. He's got 251:41 after the first period. Old record was 249:52. Congratulations Brusty.

Congrats to Brust, he was a massive part of the Sens success in winning a Calder.

Brust had a great regular season the year they went to the Calder Cup... he got them into the playoffs - no doubt about that. But in the playoffs B-Sens were down 3 games to 1 when KK switched to Lehner who won 3 straight OT games onroute to the Calder Cup win and the playoffs MVP.

I know, but without Brust's heroics during the regular season we never would have been in a position to make that run.

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True... and he is having a great season so far in the 5 or 6 games (I think) he has played. Did he play in Europe last year?[/Yeah, .916 in the DEL. Pretty good goalie when the dust settles. I could see him being an emergency call up to the NHL at some point and doing well]

Yeah, .916 in the DEL. Pretty good goalie when the dust settles. I could see him being an emergency call up to the NHL at some point and doing well

Bingo better enjoy Lehner because there is no way he is back next year. The guy is ready for the NHL now and obviously the same goes for Bishop.

If the there isn't an NHL season this year you can say bye to Anderson because the 2 guys in Bingo will be doing the job in Ottawa.

No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

3rd reason: $810,000 salary compared to $3,500,000 for next season.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

Sometimes you don't make much sense. Why in the world would you trade Anderson? I doubt I need to tell you how amazing he was vs the Rangers. You bring Lehner up and let them co-exist as a starter and a backup, then when Anderson is in his final year you assess. Lehner's my favourite prospect, but I wouldn't dream of thrusting him into an NHL starting job where there's literally no experience with him to mentor, guide or relieve him if the going gets real tough.

Which is why you'll lose this bet with me.

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

3rd reason: $810,000 salary compared to $3,500,000 for next season.

Only reason I didn't say salary was an issue because Ottawa's total salary going forward is such a none issue in itself it is kind of a "crutch" reason. I would say and "on top of everything else" the combined salary of Bishop and Lehner next year will be 1/2 of what Anderson makes.

Also, Lehner isn't signing a 2 way deal after this season, neither is Bishop. Anderson has a decent amount of value to a team like Columbus, Edmonton, maybe a couple others. You can get some assets back for a proven goaltender who's salary isn't out of this world and only has 2 years left on his deal. Chicago might be another.

This is how you keep the depth in your franchise.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

Sometimes you don't make much sense. Why in the world would you trade Anderson? I doubt I need to tell you how amazing he was vs the Rangers. You bring Lehner up and let them co-exist as a starter and a backup, then when Anderson is in his final year you assess. Lehner's my favourite prospect, but I wouldn't dream of thrusting him into an NHL starting job where there's literally no experience with him to mentor, guide or relieve him if the going gets real tough.

Which is why you'll lose this bet with me.

1... Lehner might be considered the best goaltender (actually playing on a regular basis) in the world right now. If he isn't he's proven that he is the best goaltender in the AHL. That's one reason. 2... Bishop and Lehner won't be signing 2 way deals. Who are you going to move out of the 3? IMO, no brainer there too. 3... Anderson won't have played a game for 18 months... do you realize how long that is? Who knows what he could have lost in that time? He isn't a 25 year old either, he is in his mid 30's and the chances of there being a ton of rust mixed in with perhaps a lost edge is huge.

Lehner is ready, Bishop is ready, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2. Anderson will probably still have value at that point too.

Bishop and Lehner pushing each other is all you need. Who pushed Quick? Who pushed Lundqvist? Who pushed Luongo? They won the jobs in camp by being the best goaltender there and Lehner is at the same age now that those guys were.

Not sure where people get this idea that a young goaltender needs to beat a #1 guy out. It's a myth if nothing else.

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

3rd reason: $810,000 salary compared to $3,500,000 for next season.

Only reason I didn't say salary was an issue because Ottawa's total salary going forward is such a none issue in itself it is kind of a "crutch" reason. I would say and "on top of everything else" the combined salary of Bishop and Lehner next year will be 1/2 of what Anderson makes.

Also, Lehner isn't signing a 2 way deal after this season, neither is Bishop. Anderson has a decent amount of value to a team like Columbus, Edmonton, maybe a couple others. You can get some assets back for a proven goaltender who's salary isn't out of this world and only has 2 years left on his deal. Chicago might be another.

This is how you keep the depth in your franchise.

I know salary isn't an issue but I think the Gene would save money wherever he could, especially since Lehner could, at the worst, perform the same way Anderson did this year.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

Sometimes you don't make much sense. Why in the world would you trade Anderson? I doubt I need to tell you how amazing he was vs the Rangers. You bring Lehner up and let them co-exist as a starter and a backup, then when Anderson is in his final year you assess. Lehner's my favourite prospect, but I wouldn't dream of thrusting him into an NHL starting job where there's literally no experience with him to mentor, guide or relieve him if the going gets real tough.

Which is why you'll lose this bet with me.

He was amazing against the Rangers, but they still lost. This team wins or loses based on their offense. Lehner and Anderson would be a wash right now. That being said, I'd rather have Lehner and Anderson together than two rookies, so I'd trade Bishop.

Yah, I don't see why people are so concerned with Lehner. He's already been the MVP of a Calder Cup team, he's looked like an NHL goaltender each time he has laced up the skates for the Sens, and right now what he is doing in the AHL is just proving to everyone he's the best goaltender playing in that league.

He did what he was asked, time to reward him.

Only way Anderson is back is if Ottawa trades for some big fish and the other team insist on Bishop, that's it. That could happen but with Perry being a UFA at years end Murray may throw a deal at him that he can't turn down.

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:No way Lehner goes into the NHL without an experienced goalie (Anderson) there with him.

If Lehner gets the #1 job, he'll beat out Anderson for it, not get it by default.

Really? A guy who may not have played a competitive game in 18 months vs a guy that is probably going to be AHL goaltender of the year and has proven to be NHL ready... you would take Anderson over Lehner? No chance. Not to mention the fact Bishop is an NHL goaltender as well.

Lehner will beat Anderson for that job in a heart beat for 2 reasons. 1, Lehner is the guy for the future and no one really disputes that. 2, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2.

Trade Anderson if the lockout goes the entire season, it's a no brainer.

Sometimes you don't make much sense. Why in the world would you trade Anderson? I doubt I need to tell you how amazing he was vs the Rangers. You bring Lehner up and let them co-exist as a starter and a backup, then when Anderson is in his final year you assess. Lehner's my favourite prospect, but I wouldn't dream of thrusting him into an NHL starting job where there's literally no experience with him to mentor, guide or relieve him if the going gets real tough.

Which is why you'll lose this bet with me.

He was amazing against the Rangers, but they still lost. This team wins or loses based on their offense. Lehner and Anderson would be a wash right now. That being said, I'd rather have Lehner and Anderson together than two rookies, so I'd trade Bishop.

Depends on the deal.

Also, not sure how people can ignore the fact Anderson won't have played since April 2012 when Oct 2013 rolls around.

NEELY wrote:
1... Lehner might be considered the best goaltender (actually playing on a regular basis) in the world right now. If he isn't he's proven that he is the best goaltender in the AHL. That's one reason. 2... Bishop and Lehner won't be signing 2 way deals. Who are you going to move out of the 3? IMO, no brainer there too. 3... Anderson won't have played a game for 18 months... do you realize how long that is? Who knows what he could have lost in that time? He isn't a 25 year old either, he is in his mid 30's and the chances of there being a ton of rust mixed in with perhaps a lost edge is huge.

Lehner is ready, Bishop is ready, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2. Anderson will probably still have value at that point too.

Bishop and Lehner pushing each other is all you need. Who pushed Quick? Who pushed Lundqvist? Who pushed Luongo? They won the jobs in camp by being the best goaltender there and Lehner is at the same age now that those guys were.

Not sure where people get this idea that a young goaltender needs to beat a #1 guy out. It's a myth if nothing else.

Yes, Lehner's a fantastic prospect, but you want him to succeed for the next decade and you need to break him into the NHL slowly and correctly. Enter a professional goalie who's had success at the NHL level, Anderson is a perfect guy to play with Lehner and indoctrinate him into the NHL. Then when the time's right, you can look into moving Anderson, but to me that's not for at least 2 more year after this. Lehner backs up next year, maybe steals some starts, then Lehner and Anderson perhaps splits starts, then Lehner's ready.

Is there a formula to guessing if that's correct? Not really, but I'd rather go to war with Anderson - a real number one - and my future elite starter than I would going into battle with Lehner and Bishop.

Bishop will be gone sooner rather than later.

Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.