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691All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:04 pm

NEELY


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Also, not sure how people can ignore the fact Anderson won't have played since April 2012 when Oct 2013 rolls around.

692All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:07 pm

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NEELY wrote:
1... Lehner might be considered the best goaltender (actually playing on a regular basis) in the world right now. If he isn't he's proven that he is the best goaltender in the AHL. That's one reason. 2... Bishop and Lehner won't be signing 2 way deals. Who are you going to move out of the 3? IMO, no brainer there too. 3... Anderson won't have played a game for 18 months... do you realize how long that is? Who knows what he could have lost in that time? He isn't a 25 year old either, he is in his mid 30's and the chances of there being a ton of rust mixed in with perhaps a lost edge is huge.

Lehner is ready, Bishop is ready, Anderson won't have played for a year and 1/2. Anderson will probably still have value at that point too.

Bishop and Lehner pushing each other is all you need. Who pushed Quick? Who pushed Lundqvist? Who pushed Luongo? They won the jobs in camp by being the best goaltender there and Lehner is at the same age now that those guys were.

Not sure where people get this idea that a young goaltender needs to beat a #1 guy out. It's a myth if nothing else.

Yes, Lehner's a fantastic prospect, but you want him to succeed for the next decade and you need to break him into the NHL slowly and correctly. Enter a professional goalie who's had success at the NHL level, Anderson is a perfect guy to play with Lehner and indoctrinate him into the NHL. Then when the time's right, you can look into moving Anderson, but to me that's not for at least 2 more year after this. Lehner backs up next year, maybe steals some starts, then Lehner and Anderson perhaps splits starts, then Lehner's ready.

Is there a formula to guessing if that's correct? Not really, but I'd rather go to war with Anderson - a real number one - and my future elite starter than I would going into battle with Lehner and Bishop.

Bishop will be gone sooner rather than later.

693All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:11 pm

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Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

694All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:30 pm

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NEELY wrote:Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

How many of the starters actually got a job during this lockout? 3?

695All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:33 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

How many of the starters actually got a job during this lockout? 3?
Yeah, the goalie market during the lockout is not exactly going crazy...

696All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:34 pm

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NEELY wrote:Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

The real question is, what about the fact that Anderson won't have played in a long time. No one seems to be thinking of that. No one. Smile

697All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:35 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

How many of the starters actually got a job during this lockout? 3?

How many are above 30? How many have 2 guys that are pushing them right now? And how many are considered their franchise goaltenders because I know Anderson is not a franchise goaltender (as good as he is/can be).

Although, what does it matter? Who cares if everyone else has been off for 18 months? Anderson is on the back 9 right now as it is. Lehner and Bishop will be as fresh as can be come Sept 2013... Anderson will be beyond rusty.

All 3 of those guys will be in the NHL next year, NO QUESTION. Only question is where and Lehner will be in Ottawa. Bishop or Anderson is what it comes down to and who you want backing up Lehner... I'll take Bishop for a bunch of reasons.

698All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:37 pm

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shabbs wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

How many of the starters actually got a job during this lockout? 3?
Yeah, the goalie market during the lockout is not exactly going crazy...

Nope and the "what about everyone else" argument doesn't hold much weight.

699All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:50 pm

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It won't happen anyway since the NHL will be back within a month

700All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:00 pm

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I think that Matrix will stay with the Sens and Bishop will be the guy to go.

I love Matrix .

701All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:10 pm

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tim1_2 wrote:I think that Matrix will stay with the Sens and Bishop will be the guy to go.

I love Matrix .

Could happen but what's the smart move? Not the popular one. Sens have gone with the popular moves for years and it got them into a lot of hot water. Remember Emery vs Gerber? Ruined 2-3 seasons of Sens hockey.

702All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:01 pm

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Big Ev wrote:It won't happen anyway since the NHL will be back within a month

How many times have you postponed your predictions Laugh1

703All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:03 pm

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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:Anderson's value is more than Bishops at this point and is proven. Depends on the trade you are looking to make I guess and I can see an argument for either one... but I would rather go with the future than what will clearly be a stop gap past.

Again, I'll bring up the 18 month break from hockey because no one seems to want to look at that little fact right now.

How many of the starters actually got a job during this lockout? 3?

How many are above 30? How many have 2 guys that are pushing them right now? And how many are considered their franchise goaltenders because I know Anderson is not a franchise goaltender (as good as he is/can be).

Although, what does it matter? Who cares if everyone else has been off for 18 months? Anderson is on the back 9 right now as it is. Lehner and Bishop will be as fresh as can be come Sept 2013... Anderson will be beyond rusty.

All 3 of those guys will be in the NHL next year, NO QUESTION. Only question is where and Lehner will be in Ottawa. Bishop or Anderson is what it comes down to and who you want backing up Lehner... I'll take Bishop for a bunch of reasons.

The back nine of Anderson's career is a long way away. He's 31 now, turning 32 in May, so he's in the absolute prime of his career as a goaltender.

My point is an easy one: you keep the cheap starter who posted a .914 + a .933 in the playoffs for you and you trade Ben Bishop - who's got more than a 2nd round value attached to him IMO. What you don't do is feed Lehner to the wolves by making him the starter of an NHL franchise - let alone an NHL franchise with a long, rich history of destroying goaltenders.

Take it slow and easy...trade Bishop, keep Anderson and Lehner and when the time is right, you trade Anderson and either acquire a cheap backup or hopefully you've farmed a guy who can step in as Lehner's backup.

704All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:05 pm

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I'll add that this was my precise point when we acquired Ben Bishop. I said 'great, that's really nice to have a huge, imposing and skilled goalie, but he's absolutely gonna be the odd man out'.

705All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:27 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:I'll add that this was my precise point when we acquired Ben Bishop. I said 'great, that's really nice to have a huge, imposing and skilled goalie, but he's absolutely gonna be the odd man out'.

Why would he be the odd man out over Anderson, who, as of now will not have played in 18 months vs 2 guys who are younger, bigger, and right in the line with the rest of the team in terms of their age?

706All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:34 pm

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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I'll add that this was my precise point when we acquired Ben Bishop. I said 'great, that's really nice to have a huge, imposing and skilled goalie, but he's absolutely gonna be the odd man out'.

Why would he be the odd man out over Anderson, who, as of now will not have played in 18 months vs 2 guys who are younger, bigger, and right in the line with the rest of the team in terms of their age?


Because no matter what team you are in the NHL, if you want to have success you go really slow with your young goaltender and have them backup your older and NHL experienced goaltender. Why would you go to battle with two guys who have potential, but no NHL success? Your begging for disaster - and frankly this city has had its fair share of goaltenders Dung the bed, we don't need our young franchise goalie to do the same.

Plus, Bishop is good, but he's nowhere near as good as Craig Anderson is, come on...In fact, right now Lehner has the 'potential' to be as good (or better) than Anderson, but the reality is he's not. It just doesn't make sense to trade Anderson. Now...if you're talking about Anderson's final year - at the trade deadline and we all like what we see from Lehner - and by that I mean he's stolen the job and is posting a +.915 save%, then you look at it, otherwise we have the money to keep Lehner's mentor - and we will.

707All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:51 pm

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Henrik Lundqvist started right away in the NHL at 23 and was given the reigns. This after seasons in the SEL, but no AHL experience.

708All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 47 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:53 pm

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NEELY wrote:Also, not sure how people can ignore the fact Anderson won't have played since April 2012 when Oct 2013 rolls around.

I know. Unreal, right? Some guy must have posted it like 20 times already and people are still not getting it.

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