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706All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:34 pm

PTFlea


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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I'll add that this was my precise point when we acquired Ben Bishop. I said 'great, that's really nice to have a huge, imposing and skilled goalie, but he's absolutely gonna be the odd man out'.

Why would he be the odd man out over Anderson, who, as of now will not have played in 18 months vs 2 guys who are younger, bigger, and right in the line with the rest of the team in terms of their age?


Because no matter what team you are in the NHL, if you want to have success you go really slow with your young goaltender and have them backup your older and NHL experienced goaltender. Why would you go to battle with two guys who have potential, but no NHL success? Your begging for disaster - and frankly this city has had its fair share of goaltenders Dung the bed, we don't need our young franchise goalie to do the same.

Plus, Bishop is good, but he's nowhere near as good as Craig Anderson is, come on...In fact, right now Lehner has the 'potential' to be as good (or better) than Anderson, but the reality is he's not. It just doesn't make sense to trade Anderson. Now...if you're talking about Anderson's final year - at the trade deadline and we all like what we see from Lehner - and by that I mean he's stolen the job and is posting a +.915 save%, then you look at it, otherwise we have the money to keep Lehner's mentor - and we will.

707All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:51 pm

Ev


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Henrik Lundqvist started right away in the NHL at 23 and was given the reigns. This after seasons in the SEL, but no AHL experience.

708All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:53 pm

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NEELY wrote:Also, not sure how people can ignore the fact Anderson won't have played since April 2012 when Oct 2013 rolls around.

I know. Unreal, right? Some guy must have posted it like 20 times already and people are still not getting it.

#ErikCole

709All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:58 pm

NEELY


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SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I'll add that this was my precise point when we acquired Ben Bishop. I said 'great, that's really nice to have a huge, imposing and skilled goalie, but he's absolutely gonna be the odd man out'.

Why would he be the odd man out over Anderson, who, as of now will not have played in 18 months vs 2 guys who are younger, bigger, and right in the line with the rest of the team in terms of their age?


Because no matter what team you are in the NHL, if you want to have success you go really slow with your young goaltender and have them backup your older and NHL experienced goaltender. Why would you go to battle with two guys who have potential, but no NHL success? Your begging for disaster - and frankly this city has had its fair share of goaltenders Dung the bed, we don't need our young franchise goalie to do the same.

Plus, Bishop is good, but he's nowhere near as good as Craig Anderson is, come on...In fact, right now Lehner has the 'potential' to be as good (or better) than Anderson, but the reality is he's not. It just doesn't make sense to trade Anderson. Now...if you're talking about Anderson's final year - at the trade deadline and we all like what we see from Lehner - and by that I mean he's stolen the job and is posting a +.915 save%, then you look at it, otherwise we have the money to keep Lehner's mentor - and we will.

Oh yah, Luongo, Lundqvist, Quick, Fluery, Ward, all these guys had to wait years right? No wait, they didn't. Guys can earn jobs in other ways than "beating" out another guy. Sometimes when a guy does everything asked of him you open up a spot for him and Lehner is going to get that spot. It's only a matter of time.

You still as of yet haven't responded to the fact both Lehner and Bishop (who are NHL goaltenders right now) are playing and Anderson will have had 18 months off. The only thing you said was "well, everyone else is off too" like it some how had anything to do with Ottawa's situation.

Fact. Both Lehner and Bishop are NHL goaltenders.
Fact. Lehner and Bishop will be on 1 way deals next year
Fact. Pending a missed season Anderson won't have played a game for 18 plus months.
Fact. Anderson makes more than both guys combined.
Fact. Anderson is older than both guys by a large margin and isn't part of the core going forward.

Not seeing the logic in keeping a 33 year old goaltender that hasn't played in a year and 1/2 vs a guy who was AHL MVP in the playoffs and potentially goaltender of the year in the AHL this year who is 21 and vs another guy who is 26 and has the potential to be a good #1 if not a great backup.

He's a vet that won't be better than he was last year, who only has 2 years left on his deal, and probably won't want to sit back and be #2. Wonder what the better scenario is? We all saw how things ended in Colorado when Anderson wasn't getting his way... Not saying it wasn't a different set of circumstances but how will a legit #1 take being put on the back burner? Bishop won't be that guy crying about it and he will be happy to be in the NHL.

710All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:01 pm

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Big Ev wrote:Henrik Lundqvist started right away in the NHL at 23 and was given the reigns. This after seasons in the SEL, but no AHL experience.

Quick too. Luongo. Fleury. Ward. Markstrom eventually.

Washington, a lot of good bringing in Vokoun there eh? Good old vet.

Not sure why people think you need to knock a guy off his perch to win a spot. Lehner was ready this year and it's a good thing there is a lockout because the year would be wasted for him if there wasn't.

711All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:01 pm

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wprager wrote:
NEELY wrote:Also, not sure how people can ignore the fact Anderson won't have played since April 2012 when Oct 2013 rolls around.

I know. Unreal, right? Some guy must have posted it like 20 times already and people are still not getting it.

#ErikCole

Cool.

712All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:06 pm

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Far more likely you can trade a guy like Bishop than Anderson.

713All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:08 pm

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It's easy as pie IMO. You wait until Lehner is 100% ready to backstop this NHL team, then you trade Anderson. If it happens to be next year, then so be it, but I think you're looking at summer 2014 for it to happen when Anderson's going into his final year and it's assumable that Lehner has had 40ish games of NHL experience in total.

714All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:09 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:It's easy as pie IMO. You wait until Lehner is 100% ready to backstop this NHL team, then you trade Anderson. If it happens to be next year, then so be it, but I think you're looking at summer 2014 for it to happen when Anderson's going into his final year and it's assumable that Lehner has had 40ish games of NHL experience in total.

He is ready.

715All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:10 pm

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Hoags wrote:Far more likely you can trade a guy like Bishop than Anderson.

Depends. A team like Edmonton or Columbus will be looking for a guy that can carry the load.

716All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:19 pm

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NEELY wrote:
He is ready.

He hasn't even proven he can be a #1 starter in the AHL. Oh sure he has the skill but he hasn't actually done it.

NEELY wrote:
Depends. A team like Edmonton or Columbus will be looking for a guy that can carry the load.

They're too busy pinning their hopes on guys like Bobrovsky and Dubnyk.

717All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:21 pm

NEELY


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[quote="Hoags"]
NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
He is ready.

He hasn't even proven he can be a #1 starter in the AHL. Oh sure he has the skill but he hasn't actually done it.

Yah, just the best goaltender there now and already won a Calder Cup MVP.

He's done all he can in the AHL to this point and after this season there won't be any questions either (not that there should be any now).

718All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:23 pm

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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:It's easy as pie IMO. You wait until Lehner is 100% ready to backstop this NHL team, then you trade Anderson. If it happens to be next year, then so be it, but I think you're looking at summer 2014 for it to happen when Anderson's going into his final year and it's assumable that Lehner has had 40ish games of NHL experience in total.

He is ready.

You know better than to anoint him 'ready' yet. He needs to make the NHL and prove himself, you don't ride the numbers in the AHL and immediately say he's good to go, come on...

719All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:23 pm

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On a side note, some people questioned why I didn't want to let him go in a trade this past summer, this is why. He's amazing - raw still, but amazing.

720All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:25 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:It's easy as pie IMO. You wait until Lehner is 100% ready to backstop this NHL team, then you trade Anderson. If it happens to be next year, then so be it, but I think you're looking at summer 2014 for it to happen when Anderson's going into his final year and it's assumable that Lehner has had 40ish games of NHL experience in total.

He is ready.

You know better than to anoint him 'ready' yet. He needs to make the NHL and prove himself, you don't ride the numbers in the AHL and immediately say he's good to go, come on...

He was good to go last year, he proved it by playing lights out in the NHL every chance he got. People seem to forget how solid he was in the NHL last year let alone what he is doing and has already done in the AHL.

Lundqvist was givne the #1, Quick was given the #1, Luongo was given the #1, Fluery was given the #1, hell even back in the day Brodure was given the #1. Pretty sure it's been done before handing the reigns off to a goaltender ready for the show.

721All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:43 pm

PTFlea

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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:It's easy as pie IMO. You wait until Lehner is 100% ready to backstop this NHL team, then you trade Anderson. If it happens to be next year, then so be it, but I think you're looking at summer 2014 for it to happen when Anderson's going into his final year and it's assumable that Lehner has had 40ish games of NHL experience in total.

He is ready.

You know better than to anoint him 'ready' yet. He needs to make the NHL and prove himself, you don't ride the numbers in the AHL and immediately say he's good to go, come on...

He was good to go last year, he proved it by playing lights out in the NHL every chance he got. People seem to forget how solid he was in the NHL last year let alone what he is doing and has already done in the AHL.

Lundqvist was givne the #1, Quick was given the #1, Luongo was given the #1, Fluery was given the #1, hell even back in the day Brodure was given the #1. Pretty sure it's been done before handing the reigns off to a goaltender ready for the show.

Fleury was rushed, it worked out for Pittsburgh in the long run, but it almost destroyed Fleury early on. You don't want to do it unless there's literally no other options IMO.

722All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:45 pm

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Point being is not every situation is the same. Price had to learn some hard lessons too. Lundqvist stepped in and became the NHL's best goaltender instantly basically.

Lehner is NHL ready, he has been for a while, and there is no reason he shouldn't be the one to beat out for the job next year. Even then, Bishop is there to push him as the worst case scenario.

723All Things Binghamton Senators! - Page 48 Empty Re: All Things Binghamton Senators! Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:02 pm

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We saw what could be the Lehner/Bishop tandem during the month Anderson was out with the hand injury last season. These 2 young guys kept the Sens at .500 winning % I believe.

Lehner has learned that any job will not automatically be handed to him. He worked hard this past off-season to lose weight and get better fit... It has paid off well. You have a motivated young player that wants to get to the NHL (if there is one left that is).

He is playing great. He will be in the NHL next season but the question is.. who will the other goaltender be. Murray has a tough decision.

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