Cullen or Spezza?

SpezDispenser wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:Well here's some good news for N4L,

Bob Mackenize thinks Spezza is on the outs, because of exactly what everyones problem with him this series was - he was around in a winning-offensive role.

Its one of the videos on the TSN.ca right now. "Close but no cigar"

Huge praise from Panger and MacT though

Wow, really, that's really, really serious if he said that. Although, I'm not 100% sure what that mean, he wasn't around in a winning-offensive role?

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Ummm, what? That's just a made up number based on nothing. They were winning without him like The Sens ALWAYS do.

Anyways I really hope people dont expect Spezza's game to change, it wont. That much was clear, when things get hard, buh bye Spezza, no where to be seen.

Clouston has nothing to do with Spezza. I would say Murray already knows what he is going to do.

Yeah it was a made up number - no they couldn't have pulled it off without him. No team survives without a top center who's capable of a PPG. Ask Calgary how they're doing. Or Florida. Toronto? Columbus. And on and on. Basically all the teams who missed the playoffs would love the failure that is Jason Spezza. Even if he Diddled up in the playoffs, at least they got there.

Again, talk about trading Spezza all you want, but without him and Elliott in the final 29 games, the Sens are duking it out for 8th. And if you trade a number one center, you better have a replacement perfectly lined up or Melnyk will fire you when you miss the playoffs.

Ill ask Nashville, Pheonix, Boston, Buffalo, and NJ. Can you win a cup without a legit number 1 center, no I dont think you can but to where The Sens got, absolutely you can.

The fact you think Spezza was the guy to get The Sens into the playoffs is a little sad, they were winning without him. You're making some weak arguements without much basis behind things. All I know is when things mattered, Spezza disapeared like he always does.

You want to throw numbers out there, 1 goal in his last 15 playoff games playing the most mins of anyone except Alfi in that time. That goal was a 5 on 3 with the game pretty much over. That's all you have to know about Spezza.

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:
Ahhh yes, the old mighty numbers with The Spezza convo. 1 goal in 15 playoff games. Explain that one please. Neil is out scoring him byt 3 goals in that time frame.

Um...it's easy to explain. Neil wasn't out against Pahlsson, Moen and Rob Neidermayer who shredded Heatley, Spezza and Alfredsson.

Then it was Pittsburgh's turn to tap dance on our heads as the best team in the NHL vs the team that literally limped into the playoffs without Fisher, Alfredsson and Kelly. Hmmm...you think perhaps they may have keyed on Spezza and Heatley?

Meanwhile, Neil's doing exactly what he NEEDS to do, pick up some of the slack that he's being given not going up against the Scott Neidermayer/Chris Pronger/Beauchemin Ds of the NHL.

Oh man, just an excuse machien. Oh, and btw, Alfi was the only guy to actually produce in that series vs Anahiem. The other two packed it in. No compete from either of them.

Anyways, the fact you cant see what Spezza is by now is getting fairly sad. He showed his true colours again in this series just like he has so many times before. I told ya about Heatley when that was your handle but I was shot down there too, now he is a villian because he wanted out. I told ya about Emery, I told ya about Meszaros and McGrattan, am I just totally out to lunch?

Spezza isnt what you want him to be and never will. Hate to burst that bubble of hope you have but it is never going to happen.

M_Christopher wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Ummm, what? That's just a made up number based on nothing. They were winning without him like The Sens ALWAYS do.

Anyways I really hope people dont expect Spezza's game to change, it wont. That much was clear, when things get hard, buh bye Spezza, no where to be seen.

Clouston has nothing to do with Spezza. I would say Murray already knows what he is going to do.

Yeah it was a made up number - no they couldn't have pulled it off without him. No team survives without a top center who's capable of a PPG. Ask Calgary how they're doing. Or Florida. Toronto? Columbus. And on and on. Basically all the teams who missed the playoffs would love the failure that is Jason Spezza. Even if he Diddled up in the playoffs, at least they got there.

Again, talk about trading Spezza all you want, but without him and Elliott in the final 29 games, the Sens are duking it out for 8th. And if you trade a number one center, you better have a replacement perfectly lined up or Melnyk will fire you when you miss the playoffs.

Ill ask Nashville, Pheonix, Boston, Buffalo, and NJ. Can you win a cup without a legit number 1 center, no I dont think you can but to where The Sens got, absolutely you can.

The fact you think Spezza was the guy to get The Sens into the playoffs is a little sad, they were winning without him. You're making some weak arguements without much basis behind things. All I know is when things mattered, Spezza disapeared like he always does.

You want to throw numbers out there, 1 goal in his last 15 playoff games playing the most mins of anyone except Alfi in that time. That goal was a 5 on 3 with the game pretty much over. That's all you have to know about Spezza.

Krecji, Savard are legit top line centers, Connolly and Zajac are debatable #1 centers. Nashville and Phoenix are anomallies.

M_Christopher wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:
Ahhh yes, the old mighty numbers with The Spezza convo. 1 goal in 15 playoff games. Explain that one please. Neil is out scoring him byt 3 goals in that time frame.

Um...it's easy to explain. Neil wasn't out against Pahlsson, Moen and Rob Neidermayer who shredded Heatley, Spezza and Alfredsson.

Then it was Pittsburgh's turn to tap dance on our heads as the best team in the NHL vs the team that literally limped into the playoffs without Fisher, Alfredsson and Kelly. Hmmm...you think perhaps they may have keyed on Spezza and Heatley?

Meanwhile, Neil's doing exactly what he NEEDS to do, pick up some of the slack that he's being given not going up against the Scott Neidermayer/Chris Pronger/Beauchemin Ds of the NHL.

Oh man, just an excuse machien. Oh, and btw, Alfi was the only guy to actually produce in that series vs Anahiem. The other two packed it in. No compete from either of them.

Anyways, the fact you cant see what Spezza is by now is getting fairly sad. He showed his true colours again in this series just like he has so many times before. I told ya about Heatley when that was your handle but I was shot down there too, now he is a villian because he wanted out. I told ya about Emery, I told ya about Meszaros and McGrattan, am I just totally out to lunch?

Spezza isnt what you want him to be and never will. Hate to burst that bubble of hope you have but it is never going to happen.

I wasn;t around for these discussions, but you were out to lunch about Picard and Campoli....so it's possible

strachattack wrote:Cullen. Spezza is a Front Bum who only plays perimeter hockey. Good enough to rack up points in the regular season. Terribly ineffective style of play for the playoffs.

PKC wrote:

strachattack wrote:Cullen. Spezza is a Front Bum who only plays perimeter hockey. Good enough to rack up points in the regular season. Terribly ineffective style of play for the playoffs.

So well put. You build a team with 11 forwards who'll go to war, crash the net, take the body to make a play, hustle on every play, etc...and then you have 1 forward who does none of those things and then doesn't even produce above average to top it all off. Fail.

PKC wrote:

strachattack wrote:Cullen. Spezza is a Front Bum who only plays perimeter hockey. Good enough to rack up points in the regular season. Terribly ineffective style of play for the playoffs.

So well put. You build a team with 11 forwards who'll go to war, crash the net, take the body to make a play, hustle on every play, etc...and then you have 1 forward who does none of those things and then doesn't even produce above average to top it all off. Fail.

andyman998 wrote:

PKC wrote:

strachattack wrote:Cullen. Spezza is a Front Bum who only plays perimeter hockey. Good enough to rack up points in the regular season. Terribly ineffective style of play for the playoffs.

So well put. You build a team with 11 forwards who'll go to war, crash the net, take the body to make a play, hustle on every play, etc...and then you have 1 forward who does none of those things and then doesn't even produce above average to top it all off. Fail.

Over a point a game isn't producing above average?

111519 wrote:sign volchenkov for 5 million then flip him to wash (where he will end up anyways) for fleischman and a pick. then sign sutton and cullen.

then you have a team.

stempniaksen wrote:

111519 wrote:sign volchenkov for 5 million then flip him to wash (where he will end up anyways) for fleischman and a pick. then sign sutton and cullen.

then you have a team.

Washington doesn't do that for a boatload of reasons.

111519 wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

111519 wrote:sign volchenkov for 5 million then flip him to wash (where he will end up anyways) for fleischman and a pick. then sign sutton and cullen.

then you have a team.

Washington doesn't do that for a boatload of reasons.

if volch dosent resign he will be a capital next season. no doubt about it