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SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:LOL Lecavalier ??

Last I heard the new owner paid less for the Lightning so that Vinny could stay on their team and payroll.

There hasn't been any indication of trading Vinny, much less to Ottawa. And it'd be Spezza going the other way (for starters).

Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

They don't come any smaller, or cheaper, than Del Shannon.

haha your right about that

Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

Michallica wrote:Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

Obviously, Bryan Murray disagrees if he's making pitches for the likes of Kovalchuk.

Michallica wrote:Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

o thee of little faith

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

Well he does.

To my understanding, the new owner was convinced of how important Vinny is to the team and the city that the deal was that he paid less for the team to keep him there.

Vinny also supposedly likes TB and will not waive his NTC.

Sounds very unlikely that Vinny will be going anywhere.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

I am reluctant to give up our 1st. Atrain carries a lot of value in a deal. We would also be in the same boat as last year with too much money tied up in the front after all was said and done. Its a shame that Vinny's contract wasn't 2m less. TB is also in 8th spot and 1 pt behind 6th. I doubt they move Vinny until the off season.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

Obviously, Bryan Murray disagrees if he's making pitches for the likes of Kovalchuk.

He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

Well he does.

To my understanding, the new owner was convinced of how important Vinny is to the team and the city that the deal was that he paid less for the team to keep him there.

Vinny also supposedly likes TB and will not waive his NTC.

Sounds very unlikely that Vinny will be going anywhere.

Oh well, that was fun while it lasted then.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

Well he does.

To my understanding, the new owner was convinced of how important Vinny is to the team and the city that the deal was that he paid less for the team to keep him there.

Vinny also supposedly likes TB and will not waive his NTC.

Sounds very unlikely that Vinny will be going anywhere.

So Koules said "OK buddy, I'll take a few million less so YOU can keep Vinny?". Generous.

Michallica wrote:He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

With Volchenkov and Cheechoo gone, it solves that problem for next year at least. Then your Centers are Lecavalier, Spezza, Fisher, Kelly... What do you think happens next?

It's actually pretty easy to fit Lecavalier in.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
So Koules said "OK buddy, I'll take a few million less so YOU can keep Vinny?". Generous.

That's what I heard and Buttman handled the sale so who knows how that works, the team didn't sell for a whole lot ....

Even so, Vinny has an NTC and doesn't want to leave TB so trading him isn't as easy as internet rumourmongers make it sound.

Can't see too many teams taking on such a contract, especially Ottawa.

I wonder if Eugene will ever take on a big long term contract with an NTC ever again, unless we sign the player to it with a "Dany Heatley clause" included.

ie.
Request a trade your NTC is forfeit.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

With Volchenkov and Cheechoo gone, it solves that problem for next year at least. Then your Centers are Lecavalier, Spezza, Fisher, Kelly... What do you think happens next?

It's actually pretty easy to fit Lecavalier in.

We win.

Hoags wrote:Even so, Vinny has an NTC and doesn't want to leave TB so trading him isn't as easy as internet rumourmongers make it sound.

How did the exact same thing work out for Danny Boyle?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

With Volchenkov and Cheechoo gone, it solves that problem for next year at least. Then your Centers are Lecavalier, Spezza, Fisher, Kelly... What do you think happens next?

It's actually pretty easy to fit Lecavalier in.

If that particular trade scenario takes place, then yes. But we all know that ain't gonna happen, right?

If we did get Lecavalier, imagine the reaction in Montreal.

Michallica wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

With Volchenkov and Cheechoo gone, it solves that problem for next year at least. Then your Centers are Lecavalier, Spezza, Fisher, Kelly... What do you think happens next?

It's actually pretty easy to fit Lecavalier in.

If that particular trade scenario takes place, then yes. But we all know that ain't gonna happen, right?

If we did get Lecavalier, imagine the reaction in Montreal.

Completely worth overpaying for Lecavalier for that reason alone.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Hoags wrote:Even so, Vinny has an NTC and doesn't want to leave TB so trading him isn't as easy as internet rumourmongers make it sound.

How did the exact same thing work out for Danny Boyle?

That makes me mad to this day. Oh no, we can't pay Boyle that kind of money into his late thirties. No sir.

What would it have cost us? Mezaros and a 2nd rounder - maybe even Mez straight up. Did you like what you saw from Karlsson so far? Well this is Karlsson 8 years from now and he could have been ours.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Completely worth overpaying for Lecavalier for that reason alone.

Hahaha that's soooo true

SeawaySensFan wrote:
How did the exact same thing work out for Danny Boyle?

Just because it worked for Boyle don't necessarily mean it'll work for Vinny.

I also think it'd be a mistake to commit that much money for 2 centers when we're weaker on the wing. You want be like the Penguins ? 2 top centres and no wingers ?

Fish is awesome as #2 centre so unless we move Spezza it makes no sense to pay that much for a #2 centre ... even so why take on a MORE expensive older centre. We're better off making a run at Kovalchuk on July 1st, have Spezza playing with an elite sniper again.

And I don't see Eugene taking on such a contract after what happened this summer. Let's not forget he signs the paycheques.