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SpezDispenser wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:Do we really need another 35+ forward? Really?

When it's The Wizard we're talking about, yes sir, I want.

EDIT: Unless Carolina has an aversion to Cheechoo as well.

Who doesn't have an aversion for Cheechoo and (especially) his contract.

I don't know about giving up Shannon for Whitney. Surely Cheechoo I would but Shannon? meh.

SDH89 wrote:What about Paul Kariya, apparently he could be had -- think he has anything left in the tank?

Personally I'm intrigued, not too mention he's a UFA at year's end.

I always thought Murray would get him at the deadline. That was my guess, but obviously Cheechoo would have to go the other way - and someone else to make the $$ work.

TheAvatar wrote:Who doesn't have an aversion for Cheechoo and (especially) his contract.

I don't know about giving up Shannon for Whitney. Surely Cheechoo I would but Shannon? meh.

Yeah, I thought the same. I like Shannon and unlike Whitney, it's 700K to re-sign him.

However Shannon is one good hit away from another concussion and trip to the IR.

Cheechoo is untradeable guys -- he has basically negative trade value.

Hoags wrote:However Shannon is one good hit away from another concussion and trip to the IR.

Cheechoo is untradeable guys -- he has basically negative trade value.

That buyout will be the best 1 million dollar cap hit X 2 years ever spent.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:However Shannon is one good hit away from another concussion and trip to the IR.

Cheechoo is untradeable guys -- he has basically negative trade value.

That buyout will be the best 1 million dollar cap hit X 2 years ever spent.

You really think Melnyk will sign off on another buyout ?? Considering how many buyouts he's still paying I'm inclined to think "No".

SpezDispenser wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:Who doesn't have an aversion for Cheechoo and (especially) his contract.

I don't know about giving up Shannon for Whitney. Surely Cheechoo I would but Shannon? meh.

Yeah, I thought the same. I like Shannon and unlike Whitney, it's 700K to re-sign him.

I agree. I'd also be reluctant to swap the Deller's 13 points for Whitney's 39 right now.

Hoags wrote:You really think Melnyk will sign off on another buyout ?? Considering how many buyouts he's still paying I'm inclined to think "No".

I do. This team will be better when we have more money to spend on real players.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I agree. I'd also be reluctant to swap the Deller's 13 points for Whitney's 39 right now.

We're stuck with Cheechoo. Yes he makes a lot but he came by the same 13 points that Shannon has honestly without being a fixture on the PP as Shannon seems to have been.

Cheechoo also is 4th in hits among forwards on the team. He can be useful in that regard in the playoffs, at least.

Is Shannon the better player? I'm not even sure of that. I'm convinced he's a more attractive trade bait than Choochoo for sure.

SeawaySensFan wrote:We're stuck with Cheechoo. Yes he makes a lot but he came by the same 13 points that Shannon has honestly without being a fixture on the PP as Shannon seems to have been.

Cheechoo also is 4th in hits among forwards on the team. He can be useful in that regard in the playoffs, at least.

Is Shannon the better player? I'm not even sure of that. I'm convinced he's a more attractive trade bait than Choochoo for sure.

Yes. He is the better player. Not by much but I would take Shannon on my team any day before Cheechoo. It really does come down to dollars though. I would be shocked if BM didn't buy him out this summer. $3 million is a lot to spend on 13 points

SeawaySensFan wrote:We're stuck with Cheechoo. Yes he makes a lot but he came by the same 13 points that Shannon has honestly without being a fixture on the PP as Shannon seems to have been.

Cheechoo also is 4th in hits among forwards on the team. He can be useful in that regard in the playoffs, at least.

Is Shannon the better player? I'm not even sure of that. I'm convinced he's a more attractive trade bait than Choochoo for sure.

Shannon can skate - like the wind, so yeah, he's instantly a better player.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:We're stuck with Cheechoo. Yes he makes a lot but he came by the same 13 points that Shannon has honestly without being a fixture on the PP as Shannon seems to have been.

Cheechoo also is 4th in hits among forwards on the team. He can be useful in that regard in the playoffs, at least.

Is Shannon the better player? I'm not even sure of that. I'm convinced he's a more attractive trade bait than Choochoo for sure.

Shannon can skate - like the wind, so yeah, he's instantly a better player.

Really? How come he only has 13 points?

He needs to pace himself; that's all

marakh wrote:Just on paper, here are the D's that I think are better or equally good as Ottawa in the East:

- Atlanta
- Boston
- Florida
- Montreal
- New Jersey (arguable)
- Rangers (not sure)
- Philadelphie
- Pittsburg
- Toronto
- Washington

A lot of those players have underachieved this year though.

That's not a strong line of argument. Because they underachieved they still get the benefit of the doubt?

Shannon would be trade bait if he was worth anything in trade. He'd be an afterthought in a trade - someone who gets traded to create roster space. Not more, not less.

PKC wrote:Shannon would be trade bait if he was worth anything in trade. He'd be an afterthought in a trade - someone who gets traded to create roster space. Not more, not less.

If you're a shrewd GM and had done the research on a player like Shannon, then it would be a great piece to acquire. Shannon has the speed, the moves, the 2-way capabilities, everything to be a good part of a top 9. Not to mention that he's signed to a cheap contract and will be looking for the same contract next year I'm sure.

If I was in a position to acquire him and Campoli and a 3rd round or 4th round pick for Whitney - I'd really think about it.

SpezDispenser wrote:

PKC wrote:Shannon would be trade bait if he was worth anything in trade. He'd be an afterthought in a trade - someone who gets traded to create roster space. Not more, not less.

If you're a shrewd GM and had done the research on a player like Shannon, then it would be a great piece to acquire. Shannon has the speed, the moves, the 2-way capabilities, everything to be a good part of a top 9. Not to mention that he's signed to a cheap contract and will be looking for the same contract next year I'm sure.

If I was in a position to acquire him and Campoli and a 3rd round or 4th round pick for Whitney - I'd really think about it.

Perhaps, but another way to look at it is a guy who hasn't lived up to his league-minimum contract...no?

He was expected get in the neighborhood of 40 or so points and is currently on pace for about 25. Despite his speed, moves and two-way play, he just hasn't taken the bull by the horns like he needed to and has faltered this year despite being given every opportunity to skate a regular shift and play the PP.

I wonder what kind of stats Chris Kelly would have if he was playing half as much on the PP as Ryan Shannon was.