Senators send Karlsson To Bingo

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Where does it say that Murray needs to check into the contract implications?

I think he said it himself in one of the papers. I remember him saying we need to talk to NHL officials to make sure or something of the sort.

OK. Then he's a senile old fool and he needs to fired, post-haste!!!!

That part of the CBA is open to interpretation IMO. Rather be smart and ask for clarification than assume and be the Blackhawks.

Looks like Karlsson didn't have a good game with the Bingo Sens played at SBP on Sunday...

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/08/11679261.html

No goals, no assists and not even a shot on net. Eek.

God, I hate Brennan.

"The Baby Sens had just squandered a 5-on-3 power play (some things run in the family) they had for 1:43."

shabbs wrote:Looks like Karlsson didn't have a good game with the Bingo Sens played at SBP on Sunday...

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/08/11679261.html

No goals, no assists and not even a shot on net. Eek.

No, he was fine. I thought he looked quite good, even.

It's hardly surprising for a defenceman to not have any points.

He set up multiple plays and (I thought) moved the puck very well. Binghamton's forwards had no finish.

asq2 wrote:

shabbs wrote:Looks like Karlsson didn't have a good game with the Bingo Sens played at SBP on Sunday...

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/08/11679261.html

No goals, no assists and not even a shot on net. Eek.

No, he was fine. I thought he looked quite good, even.

It's hardly surprising for a defenceman to not have any points.

He set up multiple plays and (I thought) moved the puck very well. Binghamton's forwards had no finish.

I guess I was going in the direction of setting the table for those that said he would totally dominate down there since there was nothing else for him to learn. Or is that still too much to expect from him?

Nothing left for him to learn? Who (did I) say that? I recall saying that about the WJC, but my point was that I thought he had less to learn in the AHL than in the NHL, since it's a slower game.

Offensively, he does lookvery, very good. It's pretty clear IMO that he's a talent on another level from anybody else on that team. That said, a defenceman's offensive dominance won't necessarily manifest itself in the same way that a forward's will (and even then, Spezza's looked pretty awesome and doesn't have big numbers yet this season), since it's typically reliant on forwards unless he's scoring himself.

Really, though, there's nothing to worry about. His skating looks great, too, a bit like a younger Alfredsson when he's coming up through the neutral zone.

Oh dear God. Karlsson got into a fight against some goon Matt Clackson (249 PIM last season, 49 in 13 games so far in this one; 6' 205 lbs). I did not watch the game, just reporting from the boxscore.

The fight seemed to spark Karlsson though, as he ended up with 2 assists, both of which came after the fight.

And they win 5-0.

shabbs wrote:

asq2 wrote:

shabbs wrote:Looks like Karlsson didn't have a good game with the Bingo Sens played at SBP on Sunday...

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/08/11679261.html

No goals, no assists and not even a shot on net. Eek.

No, he was fine. I thought he looked quite good, even.

It's hardly surprising for a defenceman to not have any points.

He set up multiple plays and (I thought) moved the puck very well. Binghamton's forwards had no finish.

I guess I was going in the direction of setting the table for those that said he would totally dominate down there since there was nothing else for him to learn. Or is that still too much to expect from him?

I was actually at the game and Karlsson was very good. No, he did not dominate in a way that would you remind you of Bobby Orr. But he carried the puck well, made great passes that should have gotten him at least 4 assists if not for the Hamilton goalie and his team mates' inability to finish.

He did not impress me on the PP, I'm afraid, but perhaps if he played on the left side he would have been in a better position for some one-timers. Maybe it's his defensive partner. Maybe the system. Something about the Bingo PP was way off. There was no movement at all, at one point Karlsson and the other guy on the point just passed it back and forth about 4 times, neither one of them moving more than an inch.

The stats don't lie. He has 4 assists in 7 games and 25 PIMs (Yablonski has 28 in the same number of games played). I don't know about his ice time, but I have this feeling the head coach does not trust him in his own end. He was on the ice the final 3-1/2 minutes when they were trying to tie it up. Before that it was a regular shift at best. That 25 PIMs is worrying me. Taking out that 5 for fighting he's had 10 minors in 4 games. That is not good. He's got to learn to play better defensively -- unfortunately I don't know who down there can teach him that part. He really would be better off up here playing with Phillips or Kuba.

Yes he would Prager. I think Campoli might be able to turn it around, but I'm not opposed to seeing Karlsson here and Picard in the press box.

SpezDispenser wrote:Yes he would Prager. I think Campoli might be able to turn it around, but I'm not opposed to seeing Karlsson here and Picard in the press box.

you're right i keep waitig for the campoli of last year to show up. i saw small sparks of it on the PP here and there but nothing that led to anything. picard in my mind can be dealt. for every good move he makes there's twice the errors. i think i like what i see from Lee more then picard and that's not saying much.

as far as i'm concerned i could handle karlsson in bingo for a year. i don't know but a year in the AHL has done alot of good for alot of NHLers. let him work out the NA game, get used to the grit and try out his game without having to fear mucking games up. then he could really step in and dominate in ottawa.

Well, I hope that when he comes back to the NHL we certainly don't expect him to "dominate"

Remember, Lidstrom was 21 when he made his impact Karlsson has plenty of time

marakh wrote:Well, I hope that when he comes back to the NHL we certainly don't expect him to "dominate"

In small ways, against some teams, against certain lines I would. In a few years I'd expect that scope of dominance to grow.

Karlsson has 5 points (all assists) in his past two games.

EDIT: So...

He leads all defencemen on the team in scoring, and is a hair under a PPG at the moment. He's also tied with Daugavins for 8th in team scoring, but has played only 8 of the team's 17 games. 2nd EDIT: Correction: Derek Smith has one more point than Karlsson has. But, he's also played twice as many games.

Definitely, there's no cause for alarm about his offence (although he's still a little too stationary on the powerplay). His defence is still adventurous, to put it nicely. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he has great mentors down in Bingo in regards to the other defenders on the team.

Once he makes it into the NHL, there's going to be a period where he'll have to be paired with a steady defenceman. Kuba - Karlsson definitely looks like a pairing to be considered for next season, although I'm a little irked it wasn't given much of a chance (if at all) this season.

I'm averse to putting Karlsson with Cowen right away, partially to give them each experienced partners but also because I think Cowen needs to get every opportunity to develop his offensive game before having Karlsson run the show on the pairing.

Next season, I would be very happy with pairings like:

Phillips - x
Cowen - Volchenkov
Kuba - Karlsson
*Carkner, Campoli, Lee, Picard - someone will probably have to be moved.

Asq2, you should apply for a coaching position with the Sens. They've got something like six now and could use some help

Next season, with both Cowen and Karlsson likely here for good (and, who knows, Wiercioch may be pushing for a spot as well) they will have to split up Philchenkov. You cannot bring in two rookies and *not* pair them up with veterans. Since we only have 3 vets (I don't care how much experience any of the bottom 4 will have by then, none of them have anything to teach to the new guys) we can't have two of them playing together. We all see it, but does Clouston?

I'm glad Karlsson looks to be adjusting and contributing more -- hopefully the past two games are not just an aberration, but just a result of having adjusted to the new team, and the coach giving him more opportunities. But what's with the PP? I noticed the lack of movement as well in the game at SBP. This is his specialty. Is it coaching/system? Maybe they should put him and a forward on the back-end. Play a modified "torpedo" if you will, one guy on the back-end but with enough movement from him and the forwards so he's not covering the entire blue line. Kalrsson has a wicked shot from the point but if he's playing the right point he's not going to get a good one-timer.

I admit, I've only seen that one game. Is that what they usually do on the PP? If so, they need to have a chat with their PP coach (or hire one if they don't have one already).

That's MR. Asq2 to you.

As far as Karlsson on the PP goes, I recall his immobility when without the puck being a bit of an/probably the only issue at the WJC, but it didn't seem to be a problem in the pre-season with Ottawa (ie, that deke and then pass to Kovalev).

I'm not a fan of putting him right point on the PP, since it prevents him from taking one-timers and from walking into the middle of the ice/slot with the puck, which is how he got his goals at the WJCs. But, he managed to score while on the right point in Sweden, as well as enabling him to make some nifty slap-passes into the slot. I just don't really see what benefit there is to keeping him there rather than putting him on the left.

I can't wait to see Karlsson - Wiercioch hammering it on goal on our PP in a few years. That's like Markov - Souray 2.0. Cowen's got a heavy shot as well.

Congrats, Asq2! Welcome to "the club". Shabbs should be along pretty soon to give you his welcome as well,. and then Dave telling all of us that we're just fluffing to get our stats up.