Murray - Let's make a deal!!

Dash wrote:Funny, anytime I mentioned trading Kelly, I received backlash, saying he was too valuable to move, I knew nothing about the game, he is a player that wins you games, blah blah... now it seems a lot of you are saying he will be moved. Where's the outrage now?

I was never a fan personally - and now Regin and Z.Smith can both do his job for 1/4 the price. Ouch...that hurts even typing that.

SensFan71 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Kelly may have stone hands but he is very valuable on the pk. I am sure that losing him or trading him because you think a prospect can do the same job, will not get the same results this season. Are you guys trying for this season or looking further ahead at future seasons and cap issues?

Future cap issues, the emergence of young players, the abundance of capable PKers on the team are all conspiring against Kelly right now.

not to mention his lack of effectiveness, it's do or die time for Kelly and I haven't seen much "do"

Kelly is most effective at amusing me with his freakishly small head.

Oh Murray! Why? Again, he couldn't look into a crystal ball to foresee this. It's not like we're sure Regin is going to play like this all year, but so far so good. I'm excited to see a full season of him. If all works out.

Geez, look how mean Alfie looks in this pic.

SensGirl11 wrote:Geez, look how mean Alfie looks in this pic.

Is that looking mean or is he thinking his diet should have more fibre in it?

N4L wrote:If Murray can get a team to trade for Schubert, even if it's a 7th, that will be nothing short of a miracle.

That said, you look at a team like SJ or NJ who could use a big body that can skate on the back end for a minimal cap hit. There could, with a lot of luck, be some takers.

Regin is on this team though, 100%. How many years does he have left on his contract at the entry level?

Agreed...the issue with players like Schubert and Kelly is that there are other players of similar skills and salary that remain unsigned.

The Sharks just took on Manny Malhotra, for example...who is analogous to Kelly.

The question is, who replaces Kelly's PK skills in Ottawa?

Michalek, Fisher are going to be the top pair for sure. Big guys, tons of speed, dangerous any time they are on the ice.


Then you have guys like Winchester, Ruutu, and I think Regin will eventually be there as well. Spezza seems to be getting the hang of things on the PK as well with Clouston giving him more responsibility out there.

The PK wasnt anything to write home about without Vermette last year anyays, Kelly did seem to suffer.

Sens will be fine without Kelly, not too concerned about that.

N4L wrote:Michalek, Fisher are going to be the top pair for sure. Big guys, tons of speed, dangerous any time they are on the ice.


Then you have guys like Winchester, Ruutu, and I think Regin will eventually be there as well. Spezza seems to be getting the hang of things on the PK as well with Clouston giving him more responsibility out there.

The PK wasnt anything to write home about without Vermette last year anyays, Kelly did seem to suffer.

Sens will be fine without Kelly, not too concerned about that.

So you have Ruutu and Spezza on PK if Kelly gets shipped out?

davetherave wrote:

N4L wrote:Michalek, Fisher are going to be the top pair for sure. Big guys, tons of speed, dangerous any time they are on the ice.


Then you have guys like Winchester, Ruutu, and I think Regin will eventually be there as well. Spezza seems to be getting the hang of things on the PK as well with Clouston giving him more responsibility out there.

The PK wasnt anything to write home about without Vermette last year anyays, Kelly did seem to suffer.

Sens will be fine without Kelly, not too concerned about that.

So you have Ruutu and Spezza on PK if Kelly gets shipped out?

Spezza I am not so sure about, but Ruutu did some PK duty after CC took over last year. Wasn't too bad either IIRC.

davetherave wrote:

N4L wrote:Michalek, Fisher are going to be the top pair for sure. Big guys, tons of speed, dangerous any time they are on the ice.


Then you have guys like Winchester, Ruutu, and I think Regin will eventually be there as well. Spezza seems to be getting the hang of things on the PK as well with Clouston giving him more responsibility out there.

The PK wasnt anything to write home about without Vermette last year anyays, Kelly did seem to suffer.

Sens will be fine without Kelly, not too concerned about that.

So you have Ruutu and Spezza on PK if Kelly gets shipped out?

Spezza wont be a fixture, but giving him some spot duty and trying to make him a more defensivly aware player is alright.

Still have Winchester, Ruutu, Alfi

Some other tidbits from the Citizen;

“The way Peter has played the last two games, playing with Mike Fisher, he’s turned Mike into a scoring machine,” Murray said. Fisher has four goals in the past two games.

“(Regin’s) fast, he’s creative, he gets back and helps out defensively, and there’s no question he’s ready to play in the NHL.”

The general manager had similar things to say about Karlsson, a blue-chipper and potential quarterback with the man advantage.

“Erik we know is a very talented young man,” Murray said, adding he’d still like to see the 19-year-old make some adjustments on the power play. “Beyond that, he has really come in and played well and – not unexpected, mind you – but certainly (he is) a guy with very strong possibilities, I would say, to make the team.”

So the question becomes: What to do with the guys who are already here?

Murray wasn't naming names, but the most obvious candidates are veterans or mid-career players with one-way contracts who aren’t contributing as much. They include defenceman Alexandre Picard ($800,000 cap hit), utility man Christoph Schubert ($883,000), and forwards like Chris Kelly ($2.15 million) and Jarkko Ruutu ($1.3 million).

Hmmm...I haven't heard that one yet.

@N4L>So if I understand you correctly, you have M-Squared and Fish as your top two PKers...

...and Ruutu on the second unit? with...Winchester?

I would guess by the end of the year it will be Winchester/Regin as those 3, 4 pkers, but basically, yes.

Winchester was already being used on the PK last year. He has the speed and plays that smart, fundamental game that coaches like.

SensGirl11 wrote:Some other tidbits from the Citizen;

“The way Peter has played the last two games, playing with Mike Fisher, he’s turned Mike into a scoring machine,” Murray said. Fisher has four goals in the past two games.

“(Regin’s) fast, he’s creative, he gets back and helps out defensively, and there’s no question he’s ready to play in the NHL.”

The general manager had similar things to say about Karlsson, a blue-chipper and potential quarterback with the man advantage.

“Erik we know is a very talented young man,” Murray said, adding he’d still like to see the 19-year-old make some adjustments on the power play. “Beyond that, he has really come in and played well and – not unexpected, mind you – but certainly (he is) a guy with very strong possibilities, I would say, to make the team.”

So the question becomes: What to do with the guys who are already here?

Murray wasn't naming names, but the most obvious candidates are veterans or mid-career players with one-way contracts who aren’t contributing as much. They include defenceman Alexandre Picard ($800,000 cap hit), utility man Christoph Schubert ($883,000), and forwards like Chris Kelly ($2.15 million) and Jarkko Ruutu ($1.3 million).

Hmmm...I haven't heard that one yet.

Ruutu has a skill set that no one else really does on The Sens so I dont see why they would deal him. An o.k cap hit as well.

N4L wrote:I would guess by the end of the year it will be Winchester/Regin as those 3, 4 pkers, but basically, yes.

OK, so do you think Murray can get immediate value for Ruutu?

Or is he looking at prospects or picks for Sharkko, Schubie and CK?

BTW hasn't Chris Neil been mentioned as one of the vets 'on the bubble'?

Neil, nah, not after getting that contract. Neil's job is safe for sure. At this point I would take Neil at 2 mil vs Kelly at 2.1.

I think it's pretty obvious who is on the bubble and who isnt.

Ruutu can be serviceable to effective in the regular season and a game changer in the playoffs. For 1.3 million, you don't trade that guy.