Kessel to The Leafs

CCgotITcovered wrote:Just gave the thread a quick skim.

I agree with your take on Bozak and Kovalev. Its true---I'm guilty, myself---but what exactly drives your support of Kessel? As a player, do you really believe he is enough of an impact player to completely dismiss even the possibility of landing a generational talent like T.Hall? I mean, from my pov, we're talking about trading away the chance at Joe Sakic. This guy will be mentioned with the Crosby's and the Ovechkin's in a matter of years and Imo will be the runaway favorite for the 1st overall.

Is Kessel worth that?

I don't think those picks would be enough to land Hall.

CCgotITcovered wrote:Just gave the thread a quick skim.

I agree with your take on Bozak and Kovalev. Its true---I'm guilty, myself---but what exactly drives your support of Kessel? As a player, do you really believe he is enough of an impact player to completely dismiss even the possibility of landing a generational talent like T.Hall? I mean, from my pov, we're talking about trading away the chance at Joe Sakic. This guy will be mentioned with the Crosby's and the Ovechkin's in a matter of years and Imo will be the runaway favorite for the 1st overall.

Is Kessel worth that?

Why do we think the Leafs would even have been in the running for Hall? They've been 7th worst in the league the past two seasons and added some good talent in the off-season. Now, with Kessel, I'll be surprised if that pick is worse than 10th over-all. Keep in mind Kessel was discussed as being first over-all in his draft as well. He's a good, young player.

I don't like giving up 2 1sts for him, because I think they need to add another guy to their long-term offence. But, I wouldn't have blinked at trading a 2010 first and second for him were I Burke.

marakh wrote:So, KEssel, Kadri and BOzak for the next 3 years is probably the most LEafs fans can hope for. If one of them is a bust, there could be an apocalypse in Toronto.

Kulemin, Grabovski, Stempniak, Hagman, Stajan, Ponikarovsky, Blake and Stalberg round out the scoring.

It's not a top-flight offence, but Kessel and Kadri as a combination is something you can definitely work with.

Okay...maybe there's logic in this, maybe not. It's difficult to say - I certainly would never have given up 2 1sts, a 2nd and 5.4 million in cap space for Kessel - I like him, he's a fun player with loads of skill, but I'm sure as heck not losing those picks.

On the flip side, there's a lot of talk about the next 2 drafts being very shallow. The Leafs wouldn't have been in a position for a top 5 pick IMO. Some people write them off so quickly and that's a hell of a mistake - their D is solid and deep. It's not the most offensive, but it'll really make opposing teams forwards think twice about making pretty little plays. I've always liked Toskala as well. Of course he struggled last year, but he needed surgery badly.

So, the pick is probably middle of the pack - a 13th - 16th overall and there's really no guarantee that there's going to be solid talent in that range. The year after, Kadri, Bozak, Hansen and now Kessel are a older, wiser and there's still some money to think about subtracting a D-man and dipping into the free agent pool for another UFA forward. Roll the dice on Toskala and Gustafsson, then if it doesn't work this year, sign a big name next summer. So the next pick is in the late teens - again, so far there's no signs it'll be a good draft.

So a mid-1st round pick, a mid to late first round pick and a mid-second round pick for Kessel and a low 3rd round pick.

Nope...still doesn't make sense.... :^^^^: I tried to figure it out Burke.

2011 figures to be a weak draft. 2010 is decent - not deep, but the top-end (more than just the top-5) is very solid.

Another point to consider is that if they are clearly out of the race by the deadline, they can trade guys like Kaberle to recoup some of those picks.

hemlock wrote:Another point to consider is that if they are clearly out of the race by the deadline, they can trade guys like Kaberle to recoup some of those picks.

Trading Kaberle for a 1st is probably worse than Kessel for 2 1sts and a 2nd .

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:Another point to consider is that if they are clearly out of the race by the deadline, they can trade guys like Kaberle to recoup some of those picks.

Trading Kaberle for a 1st is probably worse than Kessel for 2 1sts and a 2nd .

He's got another year on his contract after this at 4 million something. He's well worth a 1st rounder IMO. I'm surprised a Kaberle, 1st for Kessel, 3rd couldn't be worked out to be honest.

asq2 wrote:2011 figures to be a weak draft. 2010 is decent - not deep, but the top-end (more than just the top-5) is very solid.

Kessel's so young, they must be of the mindset that they were gonna use that draft pick on someone who they hope can turn into a Kessel. Especially if they're picking out of the top 10 in this upcoming draft. The 2011 1st is so far in a weak draft, probably viewed as collateral damage - I still think that's a silly way to rebuild a team though.

SpezDispenser wrote:

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:Another point to consider is that if they are clearly out of the race by the deadline, they can trade guys like Kaberle to recoup some of those picks.

Trading Kaberle for a 1st is probably worse than Kessel for 2 1sts and a 2nd .

He's got another year on his contract after this at 4 million something. He's well worth a 1st rounder IMO. I'm surprised a Kaberle, 1st for Kessel, 3rd couldn't be worked out to be honest.

Actually what I want to say is he's worth way more than just a 1st rounder. It would look like KEssel for Kaberle, 1st in 2011 and 2nd in 2010 (when Burke himself refused Kessel for Kaberle + 1st a the draft)

SpezDispenser wrote:

jamvan wrote:It's going to be two 1st rounders 2010 and 2011 and a 2nd rounder for Kessel and a 3rd rounder.

You're kidding, they gave up 2 1sts and a 2nd? Jesus... Thanks for making the Bruins the best team for the next decade. Diddle.

When they flashed that up during the game broadcast I had the same impression. Way too much. And then the contract. Way too soon.

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

jamvan wrote:It's going to be two 1st rounders 2010 and 2011 and a 2nd rounder for Kessel and a 3rd rounder.

You're kidding, they gave up 2 1sts and a 2nd? Jesus... Thanks for making the Bruins the best team for the next decade. Diddle.

When they flashed that up during the game broadcast I had the same impression. Way too much. And then the contract. Way too soon.

with a contract like that....Burke should take back anything he ever said to Kevin Lowe about Penner's deal....too much damn money too soon. Here's hoping for five 40 point seasons....

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:2011 figures to be a weak draft. 2010 is decent - not deep, but the top-end (more than just the top-5) is very solid.

Kessel's so young, they must be of the mindset that they were gonna use that draft pick on someone who they hope can turn into a Kessel. Especially if they're picking out of the top 10 in this upcoming draft. The 2011 1st is so far in a weak draft, probably viewed as collateral damage - I still think that's a silly way to rebuild a team though.

He's one dimensional and no longer has Savard to dish him the puck. Terrible deal, but couldn't have happened to a better team. LOL!

jamvan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:2011 figures to be a weak draft. 2010 is decent - not deep, but the top-end (more than just the top-5) is very solid.

Kessel's so young, they must be of the mindset that they were gonna use that draft pick on someone who they hope can turn into a Kessel. Especially if they're picking out of the top 10 in this upcoming draft. The 2011 1st is so far in a weak draft, probably viewed as collateral damage - I still think that's a silly way to rebuild a team though.

He's one dimensional and no longer has Savard to dish him the puck. Terrible deal, but couldn't have happened to a better team. LOL!

Enough with the hate-on for the Leafs. They haven't been in our way for a while. Boston, on the other hand, is. And now they are going to get two 1st and a 2nd from a team that just made a terrible deal.

I wonder if Burke has worked a deal to get some of it back later... wink wink...

Working with a Leafs fan this morning who totally hates this deal. Giving up too much on a gamble.

Snuh wrote:Working with a Leafs fan this morning who totally hates this deal. Giving up too much on a gamble.

They should have held onto the 2010 1st rounder at the very least.

shabbs wrote:

Snuh wrote:Working with a Leafs fan this morning who totally hates this deal. Giving up too much on a gamble.

They should have held onto the 2010 1st rounder at the very least.

For a team that should be re-building, through the draft rather than through the FA market, it's an odd move. They don't really have the assets to get those picks back via a trade, either.