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hemlock wrote:In fairness to Spezza, with getting married and the late invite, has he really had time to get into top shape for this camp? I'm sure there are others who've had a less busy offseason.

Spezza is an incredible longshot to make this team, but I'm not ready to panic yet for the upcoming Sens season.

Thats a pretty lame excuse. He's a professional getting 7 million a year, I dont care if he went to space, he should be just as ready as a Crosby, Pronger, Brodure.

EDIT: In fact, having been "snubbed" originally he should have been the most prepared person there ready to show what he's got. Spezza doesnt deserve any excuse, any more. Short of a tragedy in his life there is absolutly nothing that can be said for Spezza at this point.

cas wrote:

asq2 wrote:IMO Spezza really only needs to fix one thing to take his game to the next level, and it's that when he doesn't have the puck, he plays the game like a spectator. He watches plays develop from the outside rather than getting into the trenches.

I don't believe he doesn't have the mental ability or the physical ability to be a dominant, two-way player. What he lacks is Alfredsson's tenacity, determination and gusto.

Unfortunately I'm not sure thats something that can be learned.

Can it be beaten into someone?

N4L wrote:
Thats a pretty lame excuse. He's a professional getting 7 million a year, I dont care if he went to space,...

lmao good to have you back :^^^^:

Haha, thanks, but it's fu cking true!

asq2 wrote:

cas wrote:

asq2 wrote:IMO Spezza really only needs to fix one thing to take his game to the next level, and it's that when he doesn't have the puck, he plays the game like a spectator. He watches plays develop from the outside rather than getting into the trenches.

I don't believe he doesn't have the mental ability or the physical ability to be a dominant, two-way player. What he lacks is Alfredsson's tenacity, determination and gusto.

Unfortunately I'm not sure thats something that can be learned.

Can it be beaten into someone?

Clouston will get it done, you just wait and see

Sens19 wrote:

asq2 wrote:

cas wrote:

asq2 wrote:IMO Spezza really only needs to fix one thing to take his game to the next level, and it's that when he doesn't have the puck, he plays the game like a spectator. He watches plays develop from the outside rather than getting into the trenches.

I don't believe he doesn't have the mental ability or the physical ability to be a dominant, two-way player. What he lacks is Alfredsson's tenacity, determination and gusto.

Unfortunately I'm not sure thats something that can be learned.

Can it be beaten into someone?

Clouston will get it done, you just wait and see

Maybe it can...and maybe he will

In the meantime, lets all enjoy a little intermission:

Spezza seems nervous and starstruck at this stupid Olympic tryout. He has little chance, but this is the year where he can flourish. He played very well under Clouston and at least exhibits the will the learn.

I couldn't give two diddles about Team Canada, I want to see Spezza start to command games for the Sens. We'll worry about the Olympics in 4 years.

N4L wrote:

hemlock wrote:In fairness to Spezza, with getting married and the late invite, has he really had time to get into top shape for this camp? I'm sure there are others who've had a less busy offseason.

Spezza is an incredible longshot to make this team, but I'm not ready to panic yet for the upcoming Sens season.

Thats a pretty lame excuse. He's a professional getting 7 million a year, I dont care if he went to space, he should be just as ready as a Crosby, Pronger, Brodure.

EDIT: In fact, having been "snubbed" originally he should have been the most prepared person there ready to show what he's got. Spezza doesnt deserve any excuse, any more. Short of a tragedy in his life there is absolutly nothing that can be said for Spezza at this point.

I agree that he's out of excuses, and it's time to man up, but saying getting married isn't an valid excuse? Spoken like an unmarried man. I can tell you that there is zero chance in hell that he was following much of a regimen while on a honeymoon, much less working on ice. None, zero, zip.

This conversation is moot anyway as is any conversation about Spezza and the Olympics. He's got practically no shot to make this club behind all of the centres Canada has at it's disposal.

I thought you were getting behind Spezza, for at least this year? Sounds like you already fallen off the bandwagon.

SpezDispenser wrote:Spezza seems nervous and starstruck at this stupid Olympic tryout. He has little chance, but this is the year where he can flourish. He played very well under Clouston and at least exhibits the will the learn.

I couldn't give two diddles about Team Canada, I want to see Spezza start to command games for the Sens. We'll worry about the Olympics in 4 years.

Blasphemy!

I agree, though.

hemlock wrote:

I agree that he's out of excuses, and it's time to man up, but saying getting married isn't an valid excuse? Spoken like an unmarried man. I can tell you that there is zero chance in hell that he was following much of a regimen while on a honeymoon, much less working on ice. None, zero, zip.

This conversation is moot anyway as is any conversation about Spezza and the Olympics. He's got practically no shot to make this club behind all of the centres Canada has at it's disposal.

I thought you were getting behind Spezza, for at least this year? Sounds like you already fallen off the bandwagon.

The new, reproved yet still reproving, N4L.

hemlock wrote:

N4L wrote:

hemlock wrote:In fairness to Spezza, with getting married and the late invite, has he really had time to get into top shape for this camp? I'm sure there are others who've had a less busy offseason.

Spezza is an incredible longshot to make this team, but I'm not ready to panic yet for the upcoming Sens season.

Thats a pretty lame excuse. He's a professional getting 7 million a year, I dont care if he went to space, he should be just as ready as a Crosby, Pronger, Brodure.

EDIT: In fact, having been "snubbed" originally he should have been the most prepared person there ready to show what he's got. Spezza doesnt deserve any excuse, any more. Short of a tragedy in his life there is absolutly nothing that can be said for Spezza at this point.

I agree that he's out of excuses, and it's time to man up, but saying getting married isn't an valid excuse? Spoken like an unmarried man. I can tell you that there is zero chance in hell that he was following much of a regimen while on a honeymoon, much less working on ice. None, zero, zip.

This conversation is moot anyway as is any conversation about Spezza and the Olympics. He's got practically no shot to make this club behind all of the centres Canada has at it's disposal.

I thought you were getting behind Spezza, for at least this year? Sounds like you already fallen off the bandwagon.

I havnt jumped on or off anything, Im just calling a spade a spade.

As for getting married, every player in the NHL has a 2 to 3 week period where they take some time off so Spezza is no different. Fact of the matter is he was as ready as he could be for that camp and still looked like a boy playing with men.