Worst UFA signings of 2009

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I don't see Kovy and Fisher working personally unless he's with Alfie. A Kovy Fisher Alfie line sounds great at least on paper.

I think anyone can play with Kovalev and be better. Look what he did for his mediocre linemates in Habland.

jamvan wrote:

wprager wrote:Why is Havlat a bad signing? And why is Hossa -- that contract should be fairly easy to move if they wanted, unless he has a NTC.

The Hossa contract is just plain stupid.

$5.23M cap hit for a player that easily deserves $6M, and he signed it before turning 35, which means he can retire after 8 seasons. Yes, the salary he will earn in those 8 years is close to $7M, but that is still a very reasonable number for top-line guy who can score 40+ goals. Teams with good cash flow not trying to save money would be very open to trading for Hossa.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I don't see Kovy and Fisher working personally unless he's with Alfie. A Kovy Fisher Alfie line sounds great at least on paper.

I don't think Alfie or Kovy can play LW to be honest.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I don't see Kovy and Fisher working personally unless he's with Alfie. A Kovy Fisher Alfie line sounds great at least on paper.

I don't think Alfie or Kovy can play LW to be honest.

I don't think anyone should have to switch positions to accommodate Fisher. Certainly not Alfie or Kovalev for crying out loud.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I don't see Kovy and Fisher working personally unless he's with Alfie. A Kovy Fisher Alfie line sounds great at least on paper.

I don't think Alfie or Kovy can play LW to be honest.

I don't think anyone should have to switch positions to accommodate Fisher. Certainly not Alfie or Kovalev for crying out loud.

Didn't realize that Kovy and Alfie were both RW. So no Alfie, Kovy, Spezza lines then eh? What about the PP?

Considering the comments Kovalev made about being secondary scoring and not liking the formula of a one line team, I would expect him to be on a different line from Spezza and Alfie, or at least not all three together. It's what this team really needs.

Mojo wrote:Considering the comments Kovalev made about being secondary scoring and not liking the formula of a one line team, I would expect him to be on a different line from Spezza and Alfie, or at least not all three together. It's what this team really needs.

If Heatley stays, it should be:

Foligno - Spezza - Heatley
Alfredsson - Fisher - Kovalev
Shannon - Kelly - Regin/Donovan
Ruutu - Winchester/Bass - Neil

Extras: Regin/Donovan, Winchester/Bass

I think that creates two lethal lines of scoring, plus a very good checking line, and one of the best, albeit most expensive, fourth lines in the league.

PKC wrote:

Mojo wrote:Considering the comments Kovalev made about being secondary scoring and not liking the formula of a one line team, I would expect him to be on a different line from Spezza and Alfie, or at least not all three together. It's what this team really needs.

If Heatley stays, it should be:

Foligno - Spezza - Heatley
Alfredsson - Fisher - Kovalev
Shannon - Kelly - Regin/Donovan
Ruutu - Winchester/Bass - Neil

Extras: Regin/Donovan, Winchester/Bass

I think that creates two lethal lines of scoring, plus a very good checking line, and one of the best, albeit most expensive, fourth lines in the league.

We just discussed the Alfie, Fisher Kovy option and apparently neither of them can play LW so that plan kind of fell apart.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Good point Spader. South Korea eh? You are definitely our first member from there. I assume you're there for work? How did you discover us anyway?

I'm an English teacher. Work is ample for those of my ilk out here.

I came across this site from a link on the official Sens site forum. Started following the MASSIVE "Heatley requests a trade" thread that eventually split into two (don't remember the exact words of the title of the thread) and realized that this site offers intelligent perspectives and more knowledge than any others I've stumbled across. Read everything posted about the Heatley situation, then decided to post my own comments.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:
Didn't realize that Kovy and Alfie were both RW. So no Alfie, Kovy, Spezza lines then eh? What about the PP?

The PP is an entirely different animal. Kovalev plays the RW halfboard, Spezza is the center of course and I would put Alfie with Kuba on the point, with Heatley on the left side (he and Kovalev will have to rotate DURING the PP to be totally effective).

Heatley - Spezza - Kovalev
Kuba - Alfredsson

OR

PP1
Foligno - Spezza - Kovalev
Kuba - Campoli

PP2
Heatley - Fisher - Alfredsson
Picard - Shannon

^ I like those as well. cool)

Yeah that thread is the main reason June was our biggest month for posts. So we're getting plugs over at the main Sens forum now too. Interesting.

spader wrote:
I'm an English teacher. Work is ample for those of my ilk out here.

I came across this site from a link on the official Sens site forum. Started following the MASSIVE "Heatley requests a trade" thread that eventually split into two (don't remember the exact words of the title of the thread) and realized that this site offers intelligent perspectives and more knowledge than any others I've stumbled across. Read everything posted about the Heatley situation, then decided to post my own comments.

Nice! We can be your portal to everything that's happening here. :___:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Yeah that thread is the main reason June was our biggest month for posts. So we're getting plugs over at the main Sens forum now too. Interesting.

Main Sens board? Didn't know that existed.

I wonder who linked us there?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Yeah that thread is the main reason June was our biggest month for posts. So we're getting plugs over at the main Sens forum now too. Interesting.

Main Sens board? Didn't know that existed.

I wonder who linked us there?

Yeah on the main site there's a Sens Army forum or something.

Is Kuba *really* a PP specialist? I am good with Campoli, Shannon and Karlsson manning the point. Rotate the three of them if you have to, or play one unit with 2/3 and another with 1/4 (defense/forward split). Funny how all our better PP QBs are short.

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't care that Orr makes only 1 million, that's a horrible signing. I really think that's a waste personally. Like getting Holweg last year, for what?

I personally don't see a problem with the Antropov signing, DEFINITELY not the Hossa signing, DEFINITELY not the Havlat signing, DEFINITELY not the Cammalleri signing, nor do I have an issue with the Gionta signing actually.

Gaborik when healthy is a top 3 winger, but the money is silly in this economy, so...I'm on the fence on that one.

Komisarek is a good singing, nothing wrong with that really.

Bulin is good and bad because of age factors and injury history.

Neil is overpaid by 500K, but I wouldn't have him on that list.

Kotalik for 3 million is STUPID. So there's one I don't like.

I basically disagree with half of that top 10. Kind of a weak article from THN. Surprising.

I think the Hossa signing is great dollar wise and ridiculous term wise. How many 42 year olds are legitimate 5 (or so) million dollar players. Sure he can retire, but why would he with that kind of money still available?

I think the Havlat contract is ridiculous. He's had ONE major injury free season in the last forever. Too long. The dollars make sense, but if his shoulder keeps acting up, it will be as much of a headache contract as Gaborik's is sure to be for NYR.

Cammy and Gionta's contracts aren't bad on their own, but together they don't make much sense. Too much money for too few pounds, especially considering the goonery to come from TML.

I agree completely with your comments on Gaborik. Amazing signing if he stays healthy, but that's too big an "if" for me to make a real call. I maintain his contract is effectively Gomez redux. Crazy term for a player that could go either way. There's always risk, but the money they through at Gomez, and the term they through at Gabby are ridiculous.

Komisarek might be a good signing. I'll reserve judgement. I want to see how he performs. As it stands, I'll go with "not bad".

Orr...ridiculous money for a few minutes a game.

Antropov....again, I'm gonna reserve judgement. I think he could thrive in a new environment, but, as was pointed out in the article, too slow to keep up with Kovy.

Neil is a weird signing. He shouldn't make 2 mil, but the Sens lose him unless they pay him something similar to what the other teams offered. Is he worth 2 mil to keep? I'd like to think so, but my bias is probably in the way. I guess I reserve judgement there too. He has a lot of the intangibles (to use a word that I hate) that the Sens need. Tough, gritty, go to the net style of play. I think he can continue to fill a need there. I just don't know if it's worth 2 mil. Nice to see how much he wanted to be a Sen though.

wprager wrote:Is Kuba *really* a PP specialist? I am good with Campoli, Shannon and Karlsson manning the point. Rotate the three of them if you have to, or play one unit with 2/3 and another with 1/4 (defense/forward split). Funny how all our better PP QBs are short.

I wouldn't call Kuba a PP specialist, but he's one of the better passers on the blueline. He'll make sweet music slap-passing it to Heatley or Kovalev or Spezza or Alfredsson... :drooling:

IF Karlsson makes it (I doubt it), I assume he would take Campoli's spot on PP 1. Although Picard kills it on the PP as well.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Yeah that thread is the main reason June was our biggest month for posts. So we're getting plugs over at the main Sens forum now too. Interesting.

Main Sens board? Didn't know that existed.

I wonder who linked us there?

Yeah on the main site there's a Sens Army forum or something.

On the official site there is a Sens Army forum, as indicated above. It was the "Trade Spezza for Thornton" thread that had a link to this site. I can't remember who it was, but it was someone very active over there. I've seen his posts here as well. CASH maybe?