Summer Dany Heatley hits

Acrobat wrote:

Zoolander wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I see myself a little in this situation. I've caused my share of Dung in the past and my way of dealing with it would be to just hide. I would genuinely regret what I'd done and would have preferred to apologize or make it right, but I just didn't have the tools to pull it off.

Who knows?

How can you not pick up the captain's call though? It's just mind boggling. Even just communicating your reasons to the players would go a long, long way way to bridging the gap. He's a grown man for god sakes. He should know that the ostrich technique doesn't work.

Fear of the unknown.
Immaturity.
Lack of interpersonal skills.

Interestingly, these are all things that are common in "superstars" in any realm - whether hockey, other sports, or even business.

He would have been coddled since puberty, and even before. He's a star - he was treated like one. He's never had to deal with anything like this before, so he'll run away and hide, and hope it goes away. He hasn't matured beyond the level of an pre-teen because he hasn't had to.

In reality, I'd suggest that this isn't his fault, but rather his parents' (his mother's comments support that idea), his coaches', his handlers', and his agents'. They didn't let him mature.

'Scuse me if I don't cry Dany boy a river. Couldn't he have purchased some maturity, nurturing etc with some of the FOURTEEN MILLIONS DOLLARS he's made since last season began?

Again, like beedub's PTSD suggestion, I suppose it's a legimate reason, however, he is a grown man and immaturity just doesn't cut it. I had my first child as teenager. I wasn't ready. Dung happens, life goes on and you deal with life as it comes. I'd imagine that's quite a bit easier with a bank account stuffed with millions.

With all the psychobabble about what could potentially be wrong with Heatley, I definitely don't want this basketcase back. :^^^^:

That wasn't meant to excuse his behaviour, just provide an explanation, and comparators (i.e. many other "superstars" in the other major sports). As you say, it doesn't change the behaviour, nor does it make it any more palatable.

Acrobat wrote:That wasn't meant to excuse his behaviour, just provide an explanation, and comparators (i.e. many other "superstars" in the other major sports). As you say, it doesn't change the behaviour, nor does it make it any more palatable.

No I know what you mean. i just don't think his actions (or non-action) justify anyone defending him. Of course his mom did, but she has to as a parent. It's a giant FU to the fans, the team, the organization, the city and the league to do what he's done.

Can we agree he's just a jerkoff and leave it at that?

SensFan71 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I like how The Alfie said that for Heatley to come back they would have to "work something out".

Heatley will basically have to apologize to everyone from Eugene Melnyk to the person that drives the Zamboni at SBP in order to mend some fences.

Don't forget Spartacat.

BTW are these still 'Late June 30 Hits'? It's July 15.

Zoolander wrote:

Acrobat wrote:That wasn't meant to excuse his behaviour, just provide an explanation, and comparators (i.e. many other "superstars" in the other major sports). As you say, it doesn't change the behaviour, nor does it make it any more palatable.

No I know what you mean. i just don't think his actions (or non-action) justify anyone defending him. Of course his mom did, but she has to as a parent. It's a giant FU to the fans, the team, the organization, the city and the league to do what he's done.

Can we agree he's just a jerkoff and leave it at that?

I disagree.

She could have said nothing publically.

Or better, she could have told him to man up, and do what's right. I've got a family of my own, but when my mother (or father) say something, I still take notice. Of course, you have to be brought up respecting others, as well as yourself, before you can do something like this. Again, not a defense, nor an excuse.

It's somewhat akin to saying he did it because he's an idiot - it's a statement of fact, but it still doesn't excuse what he did, nor is it a valid defense. If it sounded like it was defending him, then it's purely because of poor word choices on my part.

[I do agree that he's a major jerkoff, however, and that what he has done and is doing is a complete FU to fans of hockey in general, but particularly in Ottawa and Edmonton.]

Acrobat wrote:

Zoolander wrote:

Acrobat wrote:That wasn't meant to excuse his behaviour, just provide an explanation, and comparators (i.e. many other "superstars" in the other major sports). As you say, it doesn't change the behaviour, nor does it make it any more palatable.

No I know what you mean. i just don't think his actions (or non-action) justify anyone defending him. Of course his mom did, but she has to as a parent. It's a giant FU to the fans, the team, the organization, the city and the league to do what he's done.

Can we agree he's just a jerkoff and leave it at that?

I disagree.

She could have said nothing publically.

Or better, she could have told him to man up, and do what's right. I've got a family of my own, but when my mother (or father) say something, I still take notice. Of course, you have to be brought up respecting others, as well as yourself, before you can do something like this. Again, not a defense, nor an excuse.

It's somewhat akin to saying he did it because he's an idiot - it's a statement of fact, but it still doesn't excuse what he did, nor is it a valid defense. If it sounded like it was defending him, then it's purely because of poor word choices on my part.

[I do agree that he's a major jerkoff, however, and that what he has done and is doing is a complete FU to fans of hockey in general, but particularly in Ottawa and Edmonton.]

That's basically what my point was. It's tough for me to want to even ackowledge that there could be a valid behavioural or psychological reason for him doing this. I just want to hate him while he's still a Sen, then forget about him when he's gone. His complete lack of respect for his teammates, organization and fans really makes me wonder why I am so worked up over it. He doesn't seem to be...

Zooly> Dany made $14 MILLION dollars in the past calendar year--and he may never have to work another day in his life if he so chooses.

That would give him good reasons not to get worked up...over anything.

There's a really good book by Stan Fischler, "Slapshot!" which gives you some first hand insights into the character--or lack of it--of pro hockey players.

It's available on Amazon or Alibris.

The chapter "Con Men and Sh!t Merchants" specifically deals with some famous names whose behaviour might shock you.

IMHO Heatley will take his sweet time deciding what he does next. If the Sens ask him to come back, he may even dictate his own set of terms.

You think you hate him now? You might just take that up a notch before long.

davetherave wrote:Zooly> Dany made $14 MILLION dollars in the past calendar year--and he may never have to work another day in his life if he so chooses.

That would give him good reasons not to get worked up...over anything.

There's a really good book by Stan Fischler, "Slapshot!" which gives you some first hand insights into the character--or lack of it--of pro hockey players.

It's available on Amazon or Alibris.

The chapter "Con Men and Sh!t Merchants" specifically deals with some famous names whose behaviour might shock you.

IMHO Heatley will take his sweet time deciding what he does next. If the Sens ask him to come back, he may even dictate his own set of terms.

You think you hate him now? You might just take that up a notch before long.

Well, unless he's lost the desire to play the game, he won't have much option. If he wants to play, and he is property of the Ottawa Senators, he almost certainly will be suiting up for the Sens. What are his other options?

I see the argument that he doesn't have to work another day in his life with what he's already been paid, but that involves walking away from the game. The Sens own his rights. Murray doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't have to trade Heatley, and I don't know if Heatley had considered that.

I don't see how much of his own terms he can dictate.

Zoolander wrote:Murray doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't have to trade Heatley, and I don't know if Heatley had considered that.

Makes you wonder how Heatley saw this all going down. I suspect he saw a whole slew of teams fighting over him and he'd have his pick, sitting on his throne, smiling from ear to ear...

The leaking that he made the request killed that right quick and now he's facing the real possibility of not being traded and suiting up as an Ottawa Senator next season.

I wonder if he's starting to worry.

shabbs wrote:

Zoolander wrote:Murray doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't have to trade Heatley, and I don't know if Heatley had considered that.

Makes you wonder how Heatley saw this all going down. I suspect he saw a whole slew of teams fighting over him and he'd have his pick, sitting on his throne, smiling from ear to ear...

The leaking that he made the request killed that right quick and now he's facing the real possibility of not being traded and suiting up as an Ottawa Senator next season.

I wonder if he's starting to worry.

I would be. It's not looking pretty. If I were him, I'd be more worried at Murray's refusal to take (much) less than fair value. I don't like this idea, but Murray could be intentionally letting the trade talk die down in order to force Heatley's hand into accepting a deal to the Oilers. In that case, the package had better damn well not be Penner, Cogs and Smid. I need Gilbert and Cogs minimum. Penner can piss up a rope. With Kovy here, there is no need to take a flyer on Penner.

shabbs wrote:

Zoolander wrote:Murray doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't have to trade Heatley, and I don't know if Heatley had considered that.

Makes you wonder how Heatley saw this all going down. I suspect he saw a whole slew of teams fighting over him and he'd have his pick, sitting on his throne, smiling from ear to ear...

The leaking that he made the request killed that right quick and now he's facing the real possibility of not being traded and suiting up as an Ottawa Senator next season.

I wonder if he's starting to worry.

Are the Oilers even interested any more?

From the recent reports out of Edmonton, it appeared they've washed their hands of Heatley.

The olive branch from Alfie by way of the Citizen, as well as Melnyk's recent media appearances, seem to indicate the Sens want Heatley back in the fold.

davetherave wrote:
Are the Oilers even interested any more?

From the recent reports out of Edmonton, it appeared they've washed their hands of Heatley.

The olive branch from Alfie by way of the Citizen, as well as Melnyk's recent media appearances, seem to indicate the Sens want Heatley back in the fold.

Yeah, you have to wonder. But we were saying the other day that Edmonton might just stick around because they have no other options. There are no 'superstars' left in the free agent field. Is there anyone else who has a superstar for sale? Marleau, but he doesn't have the star power of a Heatley. I guess they could 'settle' for Sykora and guys like that, but their owner wants to make a splash pretty bad.

Certainly an interesting scenario.

Hey guys,

I know I posted this once already but I think a lot of people have over-analyzed Stevenson's article.

In it he basically said "A source from the league, said Edmonton might be tired of waiting and may give Ottawa and Heatley a deadline on there tabled offer."

So to reiterate, someone from the league told Chris, that HE (the source) thinks Edmonton is tired of waiting and might pressure Heatley into deciding 100% on the Edmonton option.

I don't mean to discredit or cut-down Stevenson, but the best guy to follow out of Edmonton is Dan Tencer, follow him on twitter and you'll get the info on where Edmonton's thinking is at the moment, which is, "we're not going to get a 50-goal star any other way so lets ride it out."

(Damn slow news days always produce these lameduck stories.)

No! Way! You mean there's still nothing new to report on this?

THIS JUST IN.... no news.

shabbs wrote:

Zoolander wrote:
How can you not pick up the captain's call though? It's just mind boggling. Even just communicating your reasons to the players would go a long, long way way to bridging the gap. He's a grown man for god sakes. He should know that the ostrich technique doesn't work.

It is mind boggling... he should have answered Alfie's call even if he just said things were complicated and he was not ready to talk about it. At least take his call for crying out loud.

I think Heatley is just finally showing his true colors. He's doing this because he wants no part of the Sens organization anymore. In his mind he has nothing to say to Alfie, he's made his trade public and it's not open to discussion.

It just goes to show what kind of player we had on the team all this time.

My wife has met quite a few hockey players, and from her stories I think a quite a lot of fans would be shocked at how some of the players they idolize really are. I know I was.

Reading over what you guys have written makes me pissed all over again. As if Melnyk isn't a great owner and a true fan of the game, does Dany think this doesn't hurt him deeply as a fan and human being as well. Nevermind all the other damage he's causing, that's a big one IMO.

SpezDispenser wrote:Reading over what you guys have written makes me pissed all over again. As if Melnyk isn't a great owner and a true fan of the game, does Dany think this doesn't hurt him deeply as a fan and human being as well. Nevermind all the other damage he's causing, that's a big one IMO.

The anger will linger for some time I think. Will we get some sort of closure if Heatley is dealt and he speaks out? I don't know. Maybe. But, he'll never be viewed the same by me, that's for sure.