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211Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:23 pm

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SensFan71 wrote:
jamvan wrote:So Dregger just said the asking price for Heatley is not even a top 3 forward, just a good forward and a prospect or pick.

That tells me he has his sights set on a big UFA.

Dreger is full of it, Pittsburgh threw more at Atlanta for Hossa as a rental.

To be fair, Hossa was a UFA after that. That gives you flexibility, especially in cap-uncertain times.

212Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:24 pm

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SensFan71 wrote:
Neely4Life wrote:The Citizen is the absolute worst for sports writting. It's embarassing to read at times.

man is there any good paper in Ottawa for Sens news? The sun I know is crap, so is the Citizen, sheesh, I need to get a subscription to the Hockey News.

You could print out what you see here Smile

213Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:30 pm

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Urkie wrote:
SensFan71 wrote:Murray would never do it below market value, if he is true to his word that is.

I think he'll take the deal that's closest to market value.

But I'm telling you right now that Heatley demanding a trade publicly does matter in negotiation. GM's wonder why he would do that and they worry about other things (ie. baggage, character, etc.) and also they feel as though they are the ones in control of the negotiations since Murray probably will trade Heatley at some point.

Bottom line is if we can get close to market value then it's a pretty good trade considering the circumstances.

What we get wil be *exactly* market value, though. By definition.

I understand what you are driving at, that his market value has decreased because he asked to be traded. Perhaps. But on the other hand this doesn't change the fact that he's pure goal scorer, and the other fact that every GM thinks he can handle some situation better than another GM. Yashin, Avery, Redden, Cleary -- in some cases it even works out.

The fact that he asked for a trade (and the added fact that it leaked out) changes a couple of things. First, the GMs will certainly have to consider why he asked to be traded. This will take some time to process, drawing things out a bit, but at the end of the day they are still getting a 50-goal scorer signed long-term at a more than fair salary. Second, it opens up the possibility of a bidding war since every GM knows what's up (I don't think Murray is in the habit of sending out group e-mails like Lawton did).

214Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:35 pm

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wprager wrote:
SensFan71 wrote:
Neely4Life wrote:The Citizen is the absolute worst for sports writting. It's embarassing to read at times.

man is there any good paper in Ottawa for Sens news? The sun I know is crap, so is the Citizen, sheesh, I need to get a subscription to the Hockey News.

You could print out what you see here Smile

it would definitely be more sensical, won't sell it though, that would unfair to all of you.

215Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm

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Just read an interesting Andy Strickland article with "sourced" quotes from Melnyk regarding Heatley's trade request.

A league source tells me Melnyk has said “There is no way we are paying him his $4 million bonus, I don’t care if he sues us.”

Apparently Melnyk is quite upset over all of this. Can you blame him?

216Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:42 pm

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Snuh wrote:Just read an interesting Andy Strickland article with "sourced" quotes from Melnyk regarding Heatley's trade request.

A league source tells me Melnyk has said “There is no way we are paying him his $4 million bonus, I don’t care if he sues us.”

Apparently Melnyk is quite upset over all of this. Can you blame him?

That's just bull$hit. It's not a bonus anyhow. Nice try, Strickland.

217Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:45 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Snuh wrote:Just read an interesting Andy Strickland article with "sourced" quotes from Melnyk regarding Heatley's trade request.

A league source tells me Melnyk has said “There is no way we are paying him his $4 million bonus, I don’t care if he sues us.”

Apparently Melnyk is quite upset over all of this. Can you blame him?

That's just bull$hit. It's not a bonus anyhow. Nice try, Strickland.

You're probably right, but if I was Melnyk, I wouldn't pay him.

218Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:46 pm

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That would be a battle for the ages.

219Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:48 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Doug MacLean was kind enough to inform Sportsnet viewers that Heatley will be receiving 4 million on top of 8 more million for the upcoming season.

What? Is he stupid? That would mean that Heatley's making $12 mil this coming year, which is not true.

By the CBA, when Heatley signed his deal, neither he nor any other player in the NHL can make more than $10 mil on the year. The maximum payout that can be made to a player was (and is) tied directly to the cap (20%), which was at $50 mil at the time.

On top of that, a quick examination of Heatley's contract refutes it: the pay structure is $10 mil in 2008-09, $8 mil in 2009-10, $8 mil in 2010-11, $8 mil in 2011-12, $6 mil in 2012-13, and $5 mil in 2013-14, for a total of $45 mil over 6 years.

Someone send MacLean a calculator and a connection to "the internets". If Dany Heatley makes $8 mil in 2009-10 (established fact), and he gets paid a $4 mil bonus on July 1st (also established fact), then the rest of the money owed to Heatley on the year must be $4 mil.

In addition, this $4 mil 'bonus' can't be a holdover or continuation from last year, because 1) Heatley's already made his $10 mil last year (the max a player could make in the calender year) and 2) July 1 is the beginning of the new calender year for the NHL, and so all payments made on or after July 1st go towards that year (and not the previous).
I emailed Doug MacLean on this and he emailed me back, admitting he got it wrong.

Here's what he said, from his Blackberry:

"You are right. I'm going to correct that tonite as I agree its confusing. Still a tough deal to make. Thx doug"

He's a good egg.

220Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:50 pm

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Now, The Fan 590 has been reporting all day that the Sens have received NO OFFERS for Heatley. Absolutely none.

WTF?

This is absurd. The info coming out is totally mad.

221Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:51 pm

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shabbs wrote:Now, The Fan 590 has been reporting all day that the Sens have received NO OFFERS for Heatley. Absolutely none.

WTF?

This is absurd. The info coming out is totally mad.

That's what the $hitizen reported so...

222Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:52 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
shabbs wrote:Now, The Fan 590 has been reporting all day that the Sens have received NO OFFERS for Heatley. Absolutely none.

WTF?

This is absurd. The info coming out is totally mad.

That's what the $hitizen reported so...
That's misleading because they have in fact recieved numerous offers, they just weren't of any sunstance.

There's a very good chance he doesn't get dealt at all.

223Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:53 pm

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Thats BS, if no offers are coming in then 1/2 the GM's in the league are not doing their jobs. There are legit offers and offers that kick the tires, the fan 590 knows jack.

Everyone except Murray and probably 1/2 a dozen GM's dont know Dung.

224Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:53 pm

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He also has this at the bottom, talking about compensation for RFA offer sheets:

Over
$1,506,717
to
$3,013,433
2nd Round Pick


Serious question: If some team comes along and offers Elliott $3M straight up, what does Ottawa do? I mean, they'd have to sign him...wouldn't they confused

225Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:54 pm

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jamvan wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
shabbs wrote:Now, The Fan 590 has been reporting all day that the Sens have received NO OFFERS for Heatley. Absolutely none.

WTF?

This is absurd. The info coming out is totally mad.

That's what the $hitizen reported so...
That's misleading because they have in fact recieved numerous offers, they just weren't of any sunstance.

There's a very good chance he doesn't get dealt at all.

lack of substance is agreed, Murray is asking for the moon too, but I have no problem with that, he is prepared to keep heatley if it comes to that. the price will go up even more post July 1, Rooney pointed that out.

226Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:55 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:Thats BS, if no offers are coming in then 1/2 the GM's in the league are not doing their jobs. There are legit offers and offers that kick the tires, the fan 590 knows jack.

Everyone except Murray and probably 1/2 a dozen GM's dont know Dung.

The Fan 590 wants to feed their Blue and White listenerships desire to see the Senators fail.

227Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:56 pm

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Something like that. No one knows and if Heatley is in Ottawa after I get out of the rave on Wed morning, then I will believe he wont be dealt. Until then, I dont see any way he doesnt get dealt today or tomorrow.

228Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 15 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:58 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Neely4Life wrote:Thats BS, if no offers are coming in then 1/2 the GM's in the league are not doing their jobs. There are legit offers and offers that kick the tires, the fan 590 knows jack.

Everyone except Murray and probably 1/2 a dozen GM's dont know Dung.

The Fan 590 wants to feed their Blue and White listenerships desire to see the Senators fail.

well of course, same with TSN and Kypreos on Sportsnet, there are a lot of pro Leafs commentators out there. one is too many for my liking.

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