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EJ Hradek and NHL Live Reporting Dany Heatley has requested a trade

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SpezDispenser wrote:Let's do this Burns, Bouchard, 1st rounder thing. I love the idea.

I am okay with that too, and yeah, am on board with Neely as well, we can get a King's ransom for this guy, and he wants to go West, Minnesota is west, get him out of here. They may need someone to replace Gaborik and they will be desperate.

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Wow, I go away to a kid's soccer game and this thread grows another 20 pages. I tried reading a few last night, but fuhgeddaboutit.

Over in the other thread (TOP priority) I threw down some numbers. It would appear that the loss of scoring from the departures of Vermette and Heatley can be offset by the improved SV% in Leclaire/Elliot versus Gerber/Auld. That, and Regin getting 15 goals replacing Vermette as the 3rd line center, and whoever replaces Heatley on the top line getting 25.

So on the surface we don't need to do much to replace Heatley's output. That said, there are other issues to consider:

1. Quick strike. Heatley can score from nowhere in a split second. He's dangerous and the opposition knows it. This means more attention will be now paid to Spezza and Alfie.

2. Powerplay? Don't really know this, but how were Heatley's numbers on the PP? I know he was relegated to the 2nd unit, but was he still pretty strong there? If so, and if our PP efficiency suffers as a result, then opposing teams will take liberties against our top players.

3. Who replaces whoever replaces Heatley? My number crunching did not go to the secondary analysis. If Heatley is replaced internally -- for example, Fisher or Foligno moving up -- then who replaces that player on the 2nd line? There's bound to be some lost production ther, as well. Unless, of course, the replacement comes from the outside.

So, in summary, I don't believe there is any need to spend the $7.5M right away on anyone. Certainly, we'll need to replace two players (Vermette and Heatley -- I don't think Comrie is coming back, otherwise he could "replace" Vermette). Thos two players will have to pull up a bit of the slack, the rest would come from the improved goaltending. And also, let's not forget the back-end. I'm not talking about Kuba, because his stats will go down with the team's reduced goal production (he's very much an assist guy). Getting a full season out of Campoli and Bell should get us an extra 10 goals, and if Karlsson sticks around, surely he will improve on Smith's production.

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wprager wrote:
3. Who replaces whoever replaces Heatley? My number crunching did not go to the secondary analysis. If Heatley is replaced internally -- for example, Fisher or Foligno moving up -- then who replaces that player on the 2nd line? There's bound to be some lost production ther, as well. Unless, of course, the replacement comes from the outside.

Think his replacement (quote on quote) will be included in the deal for him.

So, in summary, I don't believe there is any need to spend the $7.5M right away on anyone. Certainly, we'll need to replace two players (Vermette and Heatley -- I don't think Comrie is coming back, otherwise he could "replace" Vermette).

No thanks on that one, Comrie can walk and we can do better/younger.

Thos two players will have to pull up a bit of the slack, the rest would come from the improved goaltending. And also, let's not forget the back-end. I'm not talking about Kuba, because his stats will go down with the team's reduced goal production (he's very much an assist guy). Getting a full season out of Campoli and Bell should get us an extra 10 goals, and if Karlsson sticks around, surely he will improve on Smith's production.

Am hoping Karlsson does stick around, but I guess that depends on his size and if he can handle the NHL game.

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Well if we look at Murray's comments at the end of the season he was looking for a top six forward and possibly a D. Take Heatley away and logic would dictate he now needs a top 3 and his original top 6 right? Maybe I'm looking at it too simply here?

BTW we're only about 15 comments away from catching the first All Hockey Talk thread. Lets see if this one gets auto locked and a new one starts up. I'm certainly not going to do it myself.


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Cap'n Clutch wrote:Well if we look at Murray's comments at the end of the season he was looking for a top six forward and possibly a D. Take Heatley away and logic would dictate he now needs a top 3 and his original top 6 right? Maybe I'm looking at it too simply here?

BTW we're only about 15 comments away from catching the first All Hockey Talk thread. Lets see if this one gets auto locked and a new one starts up. I'm certainly not going to do it myself.

According to Scott Cullen's article, you were bang on.

What I said the Senators needed last year: One top six forward, depth forwards, top four defenceman, goaltender

So right now we have added the goalie, the depth forwards can come from within in my opinion, so that leaves the top 4 D, the top 6 F, and now the top 3 F.

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"quote on quote"? I'm pretty sure you meant "quote ... unquote" and since you actually can type in the quotes, it is not necessary to do the asides.

The best use of the hand-gestured quotes were from Arrested Development. Lucille had a drink in her hand when she did it, spilling some of it. I think Michael's response was "I wish you wouldn't quote when you're drinking". Later, when George-Michael slips on the spilled drink, Michael tells him "Grandma had an accident" -- of course George-Michael interprets that differently. Hilarious. I miss that show.

What were you saying?

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wprager wrote:"quote on quote"? I'm pretty sure you meant "quote ... unquote" and since you actually can type in the quotes, it is not necessary to do the asides.

The best use of the hand-gestured quotes were from Arrested Development. Lucille had a drink in her hand when she did it, spilling some of it. I think Michael's response was "I wish you wouldn't quote when you're drinking". Later, when George-Michael slips on the spilled drink, Michael tells him "Grandma had an accident" -- of course George-Michael interprets that differently. Hilarious. I miss that show.

What were you saying?

Suspect :KJK: That's all I got, good show by the way though.

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:Well if we look at Murray's comments at the end of the season he was looking for a top six forward and possibly a D. Take Heatley away and logic would dictate he now needs a top 3 and his original top 6 right? Maybe I'm looking at it too simply here?

BTW we're only about 15 comments away from catching the first All Hockey Talk thread. Lets see if this one gets auto locked and a new one starts up. I'm certainly not going to do it myself.
Why would it get locked?

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shabbs wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Well if we look at Murray's comments at the end of the season he was looking for a top six forward and possibly a D. Take Heatley away and logic would dictate he now needs a top 3 and his original top 6 right? Maybe I'm looking at it too simply here?

BTW we're only about 15 comments away from catching the first All Hockey Talk thread. Lets see if this one gets auto locked and a new one starts up. I'm certainly not going to do it myself.
Why would it get locked?

No idea but it happened and I know none of us locked it. Perhaps Forumotion felt it was too big to be just one thread? I really don't know. The first one was locked and another one started.


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We're getting close so lets see what happens. Lets see if we can pass 990. I personally was dissappointed when it happened because I wanted to pass the 1000 post threshold for one topic.


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read this in the comments over at Sens chirp, am great with it right up until signing Koivu, ugh, no way.

heatley will bring us gilbert, gagner and the 5th (mps) and with our ninth oel. with the 4 million we save sign koivu and beauchemin.

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alfie koivu mps
foligno fisher shannon
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kuba beauchemin
oel karlsson
phillips gilbert

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I do like getting Gilbert, Gagner and the 5th overall but, as for the rest of it I think we can do better don't you guys?


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Read this off of Spector's Hockey from Lyle Richardson, plus other writers contributing from the major papers/news services.

http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=94:the-latest-heatley-news&catid=5:trade-rumors&Itemid=4

Ottawa Senators winger Dany Heatley's trade request is the talk of the NHL rumor mill. Check out the latest on potential destinations and more.

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray said in a statement yesterday he expected Dany Heatley, who has formally requested a trade, to honor the terms of his contract but the Senators GM hasn't ruled out trading Heatley and is currently considering his options. It's believed Heatley isn't happy playing for Cory Clouston, who replaced Craig Hartsburg as head coach in February and reduced Heatley's playing time and moved him to the second power play unit. Garrioch cites a league executive saying there are plenty of potential destinations for Heatley but the difficulty could be finding one with cap space. Garrioch lists the LA Kings (claiming they're trying to move defenseman Jack Johnson and might be willing to move forward Alexander Frolov in a package), St. Louis Blues (have plenty of young talent to offer and might be willing to spend this summer), Calgary Flames (suggesting they might be willing to move defenseman Dion Phaneuf to get Heatley, a Calgary native), Minnesota Wild (cap space and a need to replace Marian Gaborik) and the NY Rangers (would like to move either Scott Gomez or Chris Drury) as possibilities.

OTTAWA CITIZEN: Ken Warren speculates if the Flames would be willing to move Phaneuf, pending free agent Mike Cammalleri for Heatley, or if the Edmonton Oilers would offer up Patrick O'Sullivan or Dustin Penner, or if the Vancouver Canucks might be willing to part with Mason Raymond and pending UFA blueliner Mattias Ohlund, or if the Kings might offer up Frolov or the Anaheim Ducks Corey Perry. Warren then points out those players were once linked to Jason Spezza when he was the topic of trade speculation this past season.
CANWEST NEWS SERVICE: Wayne Scanlan doubts the Canucks could afford Heatley when they're in the midst of trying to crunch numbers to afford the Sedin Twins and also have to look ahead at retaining goalie Roberto Luongo after next season so Heatley's salary wouldn't fit...for now.
MONTREAL GAZETTE: Pat Hickey doubts the Canadiens have a chance of landing Heatley in a trade as Murray is likely unwilling to move him to a divisional rival and Heatley, a one-way offensive player, probably isn't keen to play for defensive minded Habs bench boss Jacques Martin.
INSIDESOCAL.COM: Rich Hammond wonders if it would be worthwhile for the Kings to spend big for an unrestricted free agent like Marian Gaborik or trade players and other assets for either Vincent Lecavalier or Heatley.
OTTAWA SUN: Chris Stevenson sees the possibility of the Senators moving Heatley as an opportunity to improve the club's depth, something they were hamstrung in doing if they retained Heatley and his expensive salary.
SPECTOR'S NOTE: At least the Heatley speculation will push the seemingly endless Lecavalier trade speculation to the back burner, because Heatley - unlike Lecavalier - has requested a trade. As for potential destinations, teams with both cap space (and the willingness to spend) plus affordable assets that don't play in the Northeast Division will be of interest to Bryan Murray, provided of course he's willing to honor Heatley's trade request. What also comes into play is Heatley's movement clause, as he can decide which team to go to and I'm guessing it won't be to a rebuilding club. The Flames won't trade Phaneuf so forget about that possibility. I doubt Murray will be interested in either Gomez or Drury or that those two will be willing to come to Ottawa. Buckle in, Senators fans, it should be an interesting ride, one that gets resolved by the entry draft weekend in Montreal in two weeks time.

That last sentence couldn't be anymore true. It will be one hell of a ride.

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:I do like getting Gilbert, Gagner and the 5th overall but, as for the rest of it I think we can do better don't you guys?

Agreed, definitely with Koivu, Beauchemin, well, depends on how much money they have to spend for that Stud D-man we are looking for, if we have the funds, and yes I am saying it, it should be J-Bo and no one else. with the 9th, OEL might be a possible pick, but well, Cowen should still be around at that time, plus quite a few other possible good players to pick.

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Neely4Life wrote:Well taking Penner back is a serious possibility if there are salary issues. If you put him in a similar situation like he had in Anahiem with Alfi and Spezza, you might get some decent production out of him.

That would be totally dependant on The Sens getting back the 10th overall, Eberle, Gagne, and perhaps Gilbert. Maybe send Lee or Picard the other way.

Thats just too much money to take back by adding Penner. Gilbert and Penner alone are 8.25. Add in Gagner at 1.625 then you need to resign him after next season and we are back at where we started with no cap space.

Penners play and work effort has also been on the decline since signing in Edmonton. Further Quinn has already put him on the hot seat for the upcoming season if he is still around. Sorry not sold on him.

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I agree Phoenix. I definitely don't want big salary coming back. I want a high 1st rounder, prospect, and or Player depending on the package being offered.


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Phoenix30 wrote:
Neely4Life wrote:Well taking Penner back is a serious possibility if there are salary issues. If you put him in a similar situation like he had in Anahiem with Alfi and Spezza, you might get some decent production out of him.

That would be totally dependant on The Sens getting back the 10th overall, Eberle, Gagne, and perhaps Gilbert. Maybe send Lee or Picard the other way.

Thats just too much money to take back by adding Penner. Gilbert and Penner alone are 8.25. Add in Gagner at 1.625 then you need to resign him after next season and we are back at where we started with no cap space.

Penners play and work effort has also been on the decline since signing in Edmonton. Further Quinn has already put him on the hot seat for the upcoming season if he is still around. Sorry not sold on him.

Poor SpezzDispenser is going to be upset to see this still going lol, he never even wanted Penner to be considered as an actual offer, he was just throwing something out there theoretically, I misread him on that too to be honest, Edmonton might try to include him in a deal if one was to be made, but I am certain BM would say no just for that reason of cap space, especially with the cap to take a dive here in the next two seasons.

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Well it looks like the moment of truth is about to arrive. Will forumotion lock this thread on us?


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