Thinking of the Post Season

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Having looked at the Stats under Clouston thread - thanks to HF boards and to 504Heater for posting it in here - I think we could be just a couple players away from being a top 4 team in the East assuming the numbers hold true into next season of course.

Based purely on the extrapelated (sp) numbers here is what I'd try to do if I was Murray.

- Do what it takes to sign Jay Bo or someone of that ilk, if that fails then trade Heatley for a Jay Bo type player.

- If you acquire Jay Bo in Free Agency then trade Heatley for 1st rounder and top six winger

You are talking about 6.5 to 7MM, yes?

I assume you are letting Comrie walk as well.

davetherave wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Having looked at the Stats under Clouston thread - thanks to HF boards and to 504Heater for posting it in here - I think we could be just a couple players away from being a top 4 team in the East assuming the numbers hold true into next season of course.

Based purely on the extrapelated (sp) numbers here is what I'd try to do if I was Murray.

- Do what it takes to sign Jay Bo or someone of that ilk, if that fails then trade Heatley for a Jay Bo type player.

- If you acquire Jay Bo in Free Agency then trade Heatley for 1st rounder and top six winger

You are talking about 6.5 to 7MM, yes?

I assume you are letting Comrie walk as well.

I knew I was forgetting someone. Yes Comrie would walk.

davetherave wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Having looked at the Stats under Clouston thread - thanks to HF boards and to 504Heater for posting it in here - I think we could be just a couple players away from being a top 4 team in the East assuming the numbers hold true into next season of course.

Based purely on the extrapelated (sp) numbers here is what I'd try to do if I was Murray.

- Do what it takes to sign Jay Bo or someone of that ilk, if that fails then trade Heatley for a Jay Bo type player.

- If you acquire Jay Bo in Free Agency then trade Heatley for 1st rounder and top six winger

You are talking about 6.5 to 7MM, yes?

I assume you are letting Comrie walk as well.

I was trading Heatley regardless. If you can't acquire Jay Bo in the off season then you Trade Heatley for a Jay Bo type. If you acquire Jay Bo in the off season then you still Trade Heatley but this time for a Tops Six Forward and a first rounder. This is all based on a shakey premis that the Clouston effect carries over and the numbers that were extrapelated (sp) hold true over the 09/10 season.

OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

Atlanta might take him back.
Although, I can't see Heater waiving to go back personally.

Maybe TB if LeCavalier is indeed moved (which I HIGHLY doubt)

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

That is why I said this is what I'd try to do. I don't know if it would happen but that would be my plan. As for a team? I don't know the Cap situations of the teams that might be interested so I can't give you an educated answer on that one.

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

do we really want to trade a guy that scores that many goals? I know he has been guily of floating around a bit, but that was more under Hartsburg, not Clouston, rather see him under a full year of Cory and see him get back to possibly 50 goal form.

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

LA. They need wingers who can put the puck in the net.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

That is why I said this is what I'd try to do. I don't know if it would happen but that would be my plan. As for a team? I don't know the Cap situations of the teams that might be interested so I can't give you an educated answer on that one.

Here's your answers.

Current cap space/projections:

http://nhlnumbers.com/

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pFHFDcknPFlKYq57Adk5iWQ

You also have to take into account what your potential trade partners' real needs are, the makeup of their team, and why they want to do business with you.

IMHO Ottawa can't move Heatley for the following reasons. He's way too expensive considering his relative assets/limitations; his NTC limits the trade partner options; and few--if any--GMs will take on his contract.

RobbyJ wrote:

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

LA. They need wingers who can put the puck in the net.

Good luck. LA has 43MM committed for next season.
http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=LAK&season=0809

davetherave wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

LA. They need wingers who can put the puck in the net.

Good luck. LA has 43MM committed for next season.
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So, it looks DTR, that Ottawa has shot itself in the foot by signing the "core" to these megabucks deals.

They may draft well, but as soon as those rookies are ready for their own money deal, we'll lose them, cause we will be so tight up against the cap that if Spezza farts, Shannon will taste his lunch

Some of that $43M would be coming back. We won't move a $7M/year contract in this day and age without having to take some salary back. Unless of course the contract is front-end-loaded and the actual salary is significantly lower, in which case a cash-poor team could take it on to get above the cap floor.

In a fantasy world, love to see Dustin Brown coming back

wprager wrote:Some of that $43M would be coming back. We won't move a $7M/year contract in this day and age without having to take some salary back. Unless of course the contract is front-end-loaded and the actual salary is significantly lower, in which case a cash-poor team could take it on to get above the cap floor.

Prags, your logic is all well and good, but who would these supposed teams be?

Phoenix?

And why would a cash-strapped team take on a huge committment for a single player when they can't afford it? There are much simpler ways to get to the cap floor.

I really suggest you have a look at this cap analysis spreadsheet:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pFHFDcknPFlKYq57Adk5iWQ

Toronto and Montreal have tons of cap room, and Burke has plenty of cash to pay for such a contract...so are you thinking of sending Heatley to the Leafs? I doubt it.

IMHO Ottawa really has very few options to move its megacontracts, and if you look at the numbers around the league and the apparent trend towards reducing salary mass, it doesn't look like that's going to change.

So the Senators will probably have to work with what they have, and hope they draft well.

SensFan71 wrote:

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

do we really want to trade a guy that scores that many goals? I know he has been guily of floating around a bit, but that was more under Hartsburg, not Clouston, rather see him under a full year of Cory and see him get back to possibly 50 goal form.

Not true. If you look at the numbers under Clouston and stretch it over an 82 game season then Heatley is headed for a 36 goal and 67 point season.

davetherave wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

davetherave wrote:OK, so you are trading Heatley which gives you room to sign a Top 4 D-man.

Who takes Heatley and his contractapalooza? And which team would he be willing to go to?

LA. They need wingers who can put the puck in the net.

Good luck. LA has 43MM committed for next season.
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Those numbers are a little out of date. Preissing is now in the minors, so take 2.75 off. We would be taking some salary back as well.

35M over 5 years is pretty nice price for a prolific goal scorer, especially if you are tied with the NYI for the 4th lowest goals per game.

Also, the numbers listed on both nhlnumbers.com and nhlscap.com include bonuses, which had to count against the cap this year whether attained or not. Next year the bonuses can be carried forward if attained, but do not need to be accounted for in current year, now that the CBA has been extended.

The world on the street (ha ha) is that the cap will never lower to 50 million - and that it's the doom and gloom BS that's making people jump to conclusions.

The NHL would in all probability step in before it lowered itself that much. The whispering seems to be that 52-54 would be the lowest the NHL would let it go.

beedub wrote:In a fantasy world, love to see Dustin Brown coming back

Brown's untouchable, unfortunately. He's their captain and has one helluva contract.