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136Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:54 pm

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shabbs wrote:
marakh wrote:Alfredsson's comments looked totally irresponsable to me. HE just seemed like he didn't care.
Which comments? Any link?

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137Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:01 pm

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marakh wrote:
shabbs wrote:
marakh wrote:Alfredsson's comments looked totally irresponsable to me. HE just seemed like he didn't care.
Which comments? Any link?

Tsn.ca Video section.
Thanks!

138Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:09 pm

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The word "evaluation" has replaced "accountability". What a farce.

139Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:58 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:It's about time. Clouston is not needed here, let's find someone quick so he doesn't have to interim too long.

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140Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:58 pm

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marakh wrote:Alfredsson's comments looked totally irresponsable to me. HE just seemed like he didn't care.

Oh boy...an attack on the Captain... Darn

141Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:59 pm

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I'm kidding of course, I laughed...I was some pissed off... Ahhhhh!

142Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:01 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:
marakh wrote:Alfredsson's comments looked totally irresponsable to me. HE just seemed like he didn't care.

Oh boy...an attack on the Captain... Darn

LOL. I still . Didn't sound like a captain at all. Or maybe Hartsburg was a real bum Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 270956

143Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:02 am

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MurderOnIce wrote:If he is stupid enough to put Clouston in place then, begrudgingly they should be moving Murray out too. This is silly. There are a lot of coaches out there. He recently interviewed them you would think. He should be in position to pull the trigger on a better solution than Clouston, even if it is just for a few games. I am sorry but the fanbase here deserves better than here is another vanilla AHL coach to run your 'Contender' Diddle that.

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144Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:05 am

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davetherave wrote:Here is Lyle Richardson's (Spectors Hockey) take on the firing from his blog on Fox Sports. IMHO right on.

Hartsburg Fired as Senators Head Coach.
Feb 02, 2009 | 7:36AM |

The struggling Ottawa Senators have called a press conference for 11 am today where it's expected they'll announce the firing of Craig Hartsburg as their head coach.

Hartsburg was hired last summer by Senators general manager Bryan Murray after consultations with team owner Eugene Melnyk. His no-nonsense style was expected to motivate a Senators team which collapsed in the second half of last season under easy-going John Paddock, whom Murray fired and replaced behind the bench to finish the '07-'08 campaign.

Unfortunately Hartsburg didn't seem to be a good fit with the Senators as they picked up where they left off last season, floundering through the first 48 games of this season to sit 14 points out of a playoff berth as of today.

Early reports suggest the last straw came following the Senators 7-4 defeat to the Washington Capitals on Sunday, when Hartsburg publicly blasted his team for not working hard enough.

It's not the first time Hartsburg called out his players this season but it's apparent his message wasn't sinking in.

To be fair to Hartsburg he was working with a Senators roster which had been significantly depleted of depth since its run to the 2007 Stanley Cup final.

Goaltending had been an issue early on, although that seems to have settled down with Alex Auld and rookie Brian Elliott established as their tandem.

Elsewhere however depth has been a significant problem, particularly on the blueline and second line scoring, and those are issues Hartsburg couldn't solve.

Management found itself hard-pressed for sufficient cap space this season, handcuffed by expensive contracts. Murray got stuck with the inherited mistake of Martin Gerber's $3.7 million salary, but he also overpaid Mike Fisher and Antoine Vermette, who've done nothing to earn their new salaries this season.

No one faults Murray for not retaining a fading Wade Redden, particularly when the NY Rangers were willing to overpay for his services, but an aging Jason Smith at $2.6 million was not a suitable replacement. The Senators needed a puck-moving blueliner, not a veteran stay-at-home defenseman.

The expensive contracts for Jason Spezza and Dany Heatley were also a problem but one could scarcely fault Murray and Melnyk for opening the vault to retain these two. Still, their salaries and their lesser numbers this season compared to their recent previous performances have made them easy targets for fan and media criticism.

If however the Senators had decent second line offense it would take considerable pressure off the first line. Daniel Alfredsson, Spezza and Heatley have 39 or more points this season. None of the other forwards have more than 18. That speaks volumes for the Senators offensive woes.

The problem of course is a lack of cap space and of viable trade bait to bring in the help the Senators desperately need.

Depth problems cannot be overcome with a coaching change. Hartsburg probably wasn't the right coach for this team but replacing him isn't going to magically produce more seocnd line scoring or pluck a puck-moving defenseman out of thin air.

This is a move done out of desperation by a general manager who has run out of options.

*Update* The Senators announced they've promoted Cory Clouston, the head coach of their AHL affiliate, as Hartsburg's replacement. Good luck, Cory, you'll need it.

I would love to send that piece of Dung back to its writer.

145Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:07 am

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Laughing3 Are you reading this thread as well, it's great. Clutch says "Clouston will get us nowhere." Basically everyone is so pissed off, it was a rough time admittedly.

146Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:09 am

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:Clouston will get this team nowhere.

Looks like the entire GMH founding crew has some crow eating to do Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 159628

147Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:10 am

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Oh yeah, for sure. But that's not entirely fair, I definitely said I was wrong about Clouston. Several times I think actually. But I'll GLADLY do it again: I was wrong about Cory Clouston. 100% wrong, I didn't know what I was saying, I love the work he's doing. Lalalala

148Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:18 am

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I said some stupid stuff in there as well. Haha, good memories.

149Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:19 am

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marakh wrote:I said some stupid stuff in there as well. Haha, good memories.

That was very entertaining - a little painful, but very entertaining. Grumbling

150Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:10 am

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Clouston is the best thing that's happened to this team, bar none, in the last calendar year. His record -- 47-32-8, a winning percentage of .586 -- speaks for itself, especially when you consider the situation he walked into.

I'm glad I wasn't among the many slamming him before he even got behind the bench for a game, tho'... although this thread also features me in the last throes of "let's give Spezza more of a chance" stance. Thank Clouston / N4L for showing us the way out there, too.

This is now a team that, surprisingly, is better for all the adversity it's faced. 20 more games of the same brand of hockey and we're going to be a tough 1st round draw.

151Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:54 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:Oh yeah, for sure. But that's not entirely fair, I definitely said I was wrong about Clouston. Several times I think actually. But I'll GLADLY do it again: I was wrong about Cory Clouston. 100% wrong, I didn't know what I was saying, I love the work he's doing. Lalalala

Many of us are in that boat. I remember writing a scathing post about Clouston being hired. I remember saying that team with all its coach killers would eat him alive. Pretty much dead wrong there lol.

152Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:05 am

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marakh wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Clouston will get this team nowhere.

Looks like the entire GMH founding crew has some crow eating to do Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 159628

I think this says it all right here:



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153Hartsburg Fired! - Page 10 Empty Re: Hartsburg Fired! Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:37 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:I'm kidding of course, I laughed...I was some pissed off... Ahhhhh!

You? I thought it was some loser named 504Heater.

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