GAME DAY #14: Sens @ Hurricanes - 7:00pm - Saturday Nov. 7 2015

Not sure I'd do anything right now. Team is really young and we're still doing well. Wideman is a big wildcard IMO. He can move the puck, he's not losing puck battles. If I was wiercioch, I'd be nervous right now.

Right now Borowiecki is playing the right side on the bottom pairing. Unless you are suggesting that Wideman would slot in on this wrong side on the 2nd pairing, or that Boro would be promoted to the 2nd pairing, I don't see Wideman as being a threat to Wericioch.

Personally, as much as I like what Boro brings, he is dragging down that pairing. What's worse, Cameron seems to think that Cowen/Boro is our first PK unit. He needs to get his front end out of his rear end and realize that Methot must be the first pairing anchor. And our best bet as the right-side in that pairing is Ceci. The second PK unit should start with Cowen on the left side. The right side should be a rotation of Karlsson/Boro/Wideman. If we are not getting a lot of PPs then Karlsson needs that TOI to keep his legs fresh, and it also reduces Boro's exposure. Boro is great when the team is ahead but I'd prefer to reduce his ice time when the team is behind.

Another possibility is to play 7D and use Boro to sub in on the 4th line.

Because I think Cameron would put cowen with Ceci and then move boro to his correct side and play wideman with him.

I like the idea of a stop gap. Maybe a guy like streit is perfect. He is getting a little long in the tooth but he's still good. We are gonna have a whole bunch of dmen fighting for spots in two years, I think it would be good to get a guy that can help us compete now and help guys like Ceci become better players so they can do the same for guys in a couple years.

I think we have to start being competitive now. The growing in is great but let's be honest we don't even know what kind of growing wier or cowen will do.

Streit is pretty much their only good dman though...

SpezDispensed wrote:Because I think Cameron would put cowen with Ceci and then move boro to his correct side and play wideman with him.

Interesting on 1200 today around 10 (had to drive my kid to school late) Lloyd and White were discussing this and Lloyd was very adamant in that Cowen has played poorly, while Boro is what he is, but forced to play on the wrong side. White didn't disagree with him. So their point, essentially, is that Cowen should be sitting, with Boro/Wideman as the bottom pairing.
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wprager wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Because I think Cameron would put cowen with Ceci and then move boro to his correct side and play wideman with him.

Interesting on 1200 today around 10 (had to drive my kid to school late) Lloyd and White were discussing this and Lloyd was very adamant in that Cowen has played poorly, while Boro is what he is, but forced to play on the wrong side.  White didn't disagree with him.  So their point, essentially, is that Cowen should be sitting, with Boro/Wideman as the bottom pairing.  
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The other day they said the same and ken Warren laughed and said it's clearly wiercioch. I agree, although against the canes he was decent.

Same old catch 22, you want wier to succeed but you want to have a prolonged look at wideman. I guess they'll sit a rotation of guys for a while.

SpezDispensed wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Because I think Cameron would put cowen with Ceci and then move boro to his correct side and play wideman with him.

Interesting on 1200 today around 10 (had to drive my kid to school late) Lloyd and White were discussing this and Lloyd was very adamant in that Cowen has played poorly, while Boro is what he is, but forced to play on the wrong side.  White didn't disagree with him.  So their point, essentially, is that Cowen should be sitting, with Boro/Wideman as the bottom pairing.  
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The other day they said the same and ken Warren laughed and said it's clearly wiercioch.  I agree, although against the canes he was decent.

Same old catch 22, you want wier to succeed but you want to have a prolonged look at wideman.  I guess they'll sit a rotation of guys for a while.

Wideman plays and scores a goal. Pretty indicative of what he's capable of doing. A this point I'd play him paired up with either cowen or boro.

To sit wideman at this point would be counterproductive. We could use a puck mover on the bottom pairing.

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Because I think Cameron would put cowen with Ceci and then move boro to his correct side and play wideman with him.

Interesting on 1200 today around 10 (had to drive my kid to school late) Lloyd and White were discussing this and Lloyd was very adamant in that Cowen has played poorly, while Boro is what he is, but forced to play on the wrong side.  White didn't disagree with him.  So their point, essentially, is that Cowen should be sitting, with Boro/Wideman as the bottom pairing.  
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The other day they said the same and ken Warren laughed and said it's clearly wiercioch.  I agree, although against the canes he was decent.

Same old catch 22, you want wier to succeed but you want to have a prolonged look at wideman.  I guess they'll sit a rotation of guys for a while.

Wideman plays and scores a goal. Pretty indicative of what he's capable of doing. A this point I'd play him paired up with either cowen or boro.

To sit wideman at this point would be counterproductive. We could use a puck mover on the bottom pairing.

Wideman was pretty bad on Saturday but I'd keep him in there for the offensive upside.

SpezDispensed wrote:Streit is pretty much their only good dman though...

That's not our problem. Apperently they want to clear a Dman to make room for some guys coming up. Which makes it hard for us to give them back a Dman but who knows. I know they want to trade Shenn but that's not looking like it will happen. So you mKe an offer. See where it takes you.

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Because I think Cameron would put cowen with Ceci and then move boro to his correct side and play wideman with him.

Interesting on 1200 today around 10 (had to drive my kid to school late) Lloyd and White were discussing this and Lloyd was very adamant in that Cowen has played poorly, while Boro is what he is, but forced to play on the wrong side.  White didn't disagree with him.  So their point, essentially, is that Cowen should be sitting, with Boro/Wideman as the bottom pairing.  
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The other day they said the same and ken Warren laughed and said it's clearly wiercioch.  I agree, although against the canes he was decent.

Same old catch 22, you want wier to succeed but you want to have a prolonged look at wideman.  I guess they'll sit a rotation of guys for a while.

Wideman plays and scores a goal. Pretty indicative of what he's capable of doing. A this point I'd play him paired up with either cowen or boro.

To sit wideman at this point would be counterproductive. We could use a puck mover on the bottom pairing.

Wideman was pretty bad on Saturday but I'd keep him in there for the offensive upside.

I wouldn't say he was bad but how many games has he played? Exactly. If he's capable of providing goals and points then you want him in the line-up practicing and building chemistry with guys.

I'd take Del Zotto in a heartbeat. He's an upgrade on most of our guys.

Ev wrote:I'd take Del Zotto in a heartbeat. He's an upgrade on most of our guys.

Since when? He's got the second highest TOI/game among Flyers D and has 1 assist to go along with his team-worst -8 (among D). I don't know how he's getting that much ice time other than, maybe they are trying to pad his stats to enable a trade. His stock fell quite a bit before the Flyers took him on (when Timmonen was forced to retire) and he hasn't done anything to change anyone's opinion. He's had his fresh start.

Ev wrote:I'd take Del Zotto in a heartbeat. He's an upgrade on most of our guys.

Never.

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:I'd take Del Zotto in a heartbeat. He's an upgrade on most of our guys.

Since when?  He's got the second highest TOI/game among Flyers D and has 1 assist to go along with his team-worst -8 (among D).   I don't know how he's getting that much ice time other than, maybe they are trying to pad his stats to enable a trade.  His stock fell quite a bit before the Flyers took him on (when Timmonen was forced to retire) and he hasn't done anything to change anyone's opinion.  He's had his fresh start.

You know who has a team-worst "minus" rating among D in Ottawa?

The one guy no one wants to admit is the real problem on the 2nd pairing.

Ev wrote:I'd take Del Zotto in a heartbeat. He's an upgrade on most of our guys.

Plus he might revive the Cabin activities

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:I'd take Del Zotto in a heartbeat. He's an upgrade on most of our guys.

Since when?  He's got the second highest TOI/game among Flyers D and has 1 assist to go along with his team-worst -8 (among D).   I don't know how he's getting that much ice time other than, maybe they are trying to pad his stats to enable a trade.  His stock fell quite a bit before the Flyers took him on (when Timmonen was forced to retire) and he hasn't done anything to change anyone's opinion.  He's had his fresh start.

You know who has a team-worst "minus" rating among D in Ottawa?

The one guy no one wants to admit is the real problem on the 2nd pairing.

Still on that train eh?

I think with Ceci is obviously he still has some deficiencies to his game but his abilities outweighs them. And he usually progresses.

I was actually a little surprised when I saw that. It's a bit of an anomaly. 14 games in is also a bit on the low end, still. Let's see how it goes from here on in. At the end of the day, someone on the team has to be the team-worst, but let's see how far he is from the average or at least the next worst.