GAME DAY: Boston Bruins @ Ottawa Senators - 7:00pm EST - Oct. 30, 2010

spader wrote:

Dash wrote:The disallowed goal is a killer. It all comes back to the non-call on Orr's goal vs. Florida. If that can be allowed, there's no way what Fisher did was worthy of disallowing that goal. NHL and the Referee's association should be ashamed.

But the Sens should be ashamed of that "performance". Phillips with yet another amateurish game. Keep it up and you will be gone.

Disagree! The Orr "goal" was a mistake. The refs weren't setting a precedent there, basically saying "this is the sort of thing that we'll allow starting now." It was a BRUTAL non-call and should warrant some sort of punishment against the ref (fine, suspension, etc), but almost certainly won't.

The thing is, while it stunk, the call on Fisher was legitimate. The game before the blown call on Orr's "goal", they never would have made that call on Fisher. The result of the Orr non-call won't result in less calls relating to goalie interference, it will result, at least in the short-term, in more.

The NHL (or at least Colin Campbell) released an official apology on the Orr non-call. I think that's as close to you're gonna get to a "we f'ed up" statement from the NHL.

" KANATA, ONT.—Colin Campbell, the NHL’s vice-president of operations, said Wednesday the Maple Leafs should not have been awarded what turned into the winning goal in Tuesday night’s game against the Florida Panthers.

With the score tied at 1, Florida goalie Scott Clemmensen was run over by Toronto’s Colton Orr in front of the net just as Tim Brant’s long shot was coming in. The puck went of Orr and into the empty net with Orr and Clemmensen down on the ice.

Clemmensen complained that interference should be called, but neither Francis Charron nor Stephen Walkom agreed. Toronto took a 2-1 lead in the third and added one from Phil Kessel to win 3-1.

“It’s quite obvious if they had the chance to see it again, you would hope the call would be made that it was interference on a goaltender,” Campbell said. “This happens. It doesn’t happen often, but it’s certainly a call you wish was made differently.”

General manager Dale Tallon, coach Pete DeBoer, Clemmensen and captain Bryan McCabe were the most vocal about it after the game. Even Toronto coach Ron Wilson said the goal shouldn’t have been allowed — although he wasn’t advocating giving it back. A play such as interference on a goalie isn’t reviewable by NHL rules.

“Unfortunately, everything was in place to go against Florida last night,” Campbell said. “It happened late, went in their net, and they had hardly any chance to come back. It could have been a no-goal and a power-play chance for Florida. It was a tough situation for our referees.

“They probably would like that call back if they had the opportunity.”

Tallon and DeBoer wouldn’t comment on the disputed goal on the record Wednesday, but Campbell said he knows what the Panthers are feeling. Campbell, whose son Gregory spent five seasons (2005-10) with the Panthers, also knows every point is important.

“It’s not March, it’s not the playoffs,” Campbell said. “But still, two points is two points. Florida’s been in position before where one point made the difference of being in the playoffs or not.”"

wprager wrote:Fisher was standing in the crease, but Chara pushed him there and,while Fisher wasn't exactly clawing his way back out, Chara was not lettinghim go either. And if he touched Thomas then it was the slightest of touches. It was a bad call.

Fisher was in the crease and physically got in the way of Thomas while he was trying to make the save. Absolutely the 100% right call was made, even if we don't like it. Textbook, by-the-rule call.

rooneypoo wrote:

wprager wrote:Fisher was standing in the crease, but Chara pushed him there and,while Fisher wasn't exactly clawing his way back out, Chara was not lettinghim go either. And if he touched Thomas then it was the slightest of touches. It was a bad call.

Fisher was in the crease and physically got in the way of Thomas while he was trying to make the save. Absolutely the 100% right call was made, even if we don't like it. Textbook, by-the-rule call.

Agreed. Chara wasn't even touching Fisher.

Fisher didn't push Thomas or knock him down, but you can't just block the goalie. It was like a pick in basketball.

rooneypoo wrote:

wprager wrote:Fisher was standing in the crease, but Chara pushed him there and,while Fisher wasn't exactly clawing his way back out, Chara was not letting him go either. And if he touched Thomas then it was the slightest of touches. It was a bad call.

Fisher was in the crease and physically got in the way of Thomas while he was trying to make the save. Absolutely the 100% right call was made, even if we don't like it. Textbook, by-the-rule call.

Maybe a few years ago, but not in today's NHL. He was pushed into the crease by the biggest player in the NHL:



Held there:


Managed to not make contact for the most part:


And, while it's true that, on the actual shot Thomas had to move to his left and made contact with Fisher, at that time the biggest man in the NHL was still holding Fisher in place.

I'll admit that Fisher wasn't putting on much of a fight to get out of the crease but that's a play that gets made -- and not called -- practically in every game. Did Fisher have the puck when Chara pushed him, with his stick, into the crease? Is that a textbook, by-the-rule non-call?

Here is the video for the rest of you. Rooney has already made his mind; I'll let the rest of you make up your own: