Vermette moved from top line...

504Heater wrote:Good move. Foligno's being destroyed on the 4th line with Donovan and McAmmond. He's top line material. It's a step up from Vermette IMO.

Now I still will go on record as saying that Alfie up there is what should be done, but at least Hartsburg is thinking.

Why should Alfi be moved up there when we are getting production from Fisher and Winchester now? Why screw up a line that is working, and working well. 2, 7 million dollar players SHOULD NOT need another guy to get them going.

How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

Your top line is there to score, not to play defense. Now, they have to be defensivly responsivble, but why do you need someone who has defensive tendancies to take responsibility for players who should be playing on both sides of the puck anyways.

Does Zettiberg or Datsyuk play with defensive guys? Does Alfi? Does Hossa? Do any of the top guys in the league play with guys who are defensivly responsible, no, because the top guys in the league are defensivily resposible and produce at the same time.

Look at Perry and Getzlaf, they both get their points, but defense does suffer from it and their offense doesnt suffer because of theit defense. We have 2 of the highest paid guys in the league playing on that top line, they should be doing it all.

You're right Heater, it should absolutely be Alfie...but as Neely said, we are getting production from that 2nd line, they've found the chemistry right away...what does that tell you about Winch compared to Vermette?? At least he gets the pucks to the guys and keeps it in the attacking zone...he isn't scoring at all mind you, but, I truly believe he will start (he's also not getting paid 2.75). If the whole team can start playing like a team again, we should start seeing more production from him. Vermette can't find chemistry with himself let alone anybody else on the team...it's franking ridiculous. If Harts tries Foligno and it doesn't work, try Deano, if that doesn't work just put the 1st line back together and we'll have to figure something out for our secondary scoring...Hopefully Vermette for Stillman (I'm sure Stillman is just sad playing in Florida, and he deserved every penny he got on that salary, IMO) Vermette doesn't deserve a penny over 1.75 the way he plays...and Kelly...well...that's a whole other story.

What to do...what to do...? Murray better have some tricks up his sleeve, cause he's sinking as quickly as our team is right now...

Hartsburg should stay the full 3 years though, unless something bad happens, with the young guys coming up, he's the perfect fit for this team.

There are some other coaches I would show the door to though.

SensGirl11 wrote:You're right Heater, it should absolutely be Alfie...but as Neely said, we are getting production from that 2nd line, they've found the chemistry right away...what does that tell you about Winch compared to Vermette?? At least he gets the pucks to the guys and keeps it in the attacking zone...he isn't scoring at all mind you, but, I truly believe he will start (he's also not getting paid 2.75). If the whole team can start playing like a team again, we should start seeing more production from him. Vermette can't find chemistry with himself let alone anybody else on the team...it's franking ridiculous. If Harts tries Foligno and it doesn't work, try Deano, if that doesn't work just put the 1st line back together and we'll have to figure something out for our secondary scoring...Hopefully Vermette for Stillman (I'm sure Stillman is just sad playing in Florida, and he deserved every penny he got on that salary, IMO) Vermette doesn't deserve a penny over 1.75 the way he plays...and Kelly...well...that's a whole other story.

What to do...what to do...? Murray better have some tricks up his sleeve, cause he's sinking as quickly as our team is right now...

Hartsburg should stay the full 3 years though, unless something bad happens, with the young guys coming up, he's the perfect fit for this team.

There are some other coaches I would show the door to though.

Why does Alfi need to be on that top line? To get production from 2 guys who should be producing anyways... This is showing everyone exactly what Spezza is brining right now. Alfi makes him go, not the other way around.

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

I was thinking the same thing, reuniting vermette and kelly but then we're left with no center for the fourth line.  The other option is putting vermette on the fourth line but that doesn't make any sense.

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

Deano is fast and playing well but not what the 1st line needs. If Foligno works the corners and front of the net hard he could work very well. It's a big IF but he was playing that way at the beginning of the year ...

Neely4Life wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

Your top line is there to score, not to play defense. Now, they have to be defensivly responsivble, but why do you need someone who has defensive tendancies to take responsibility for players who should be playing on both sides of the puck anyways.

Does Zettiberg or Datsyuk play with defensive guys? Does Alfi? Does Hossa? Do any of the top guys in the league play with guys who are defensivly responsible, no, because the top guys in the league are defensivily resposible and produce at the same time.

Look at Perry and Getzlaf, they both get their points, but defense does suffer from it and their offense doesnt suffer because of theit defense. We have 2 of the highest paid guys in the league playing on that top line, they should be doing it all.

Well, Alfie is defensively responsible, so is Fisher. Heatley is getting there, Spezza...give it more time, but he's getting there. Vermette is, but he can't score, McAmmond is and he can score when given the minutes and the space, Heatley and Spezz would give the opportunity and the space...it could work.

SensGirl11 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

Your top line is there to score, not to play defense. Now, they have to be defensivly responsivble, but why do you need someone who has defensive tendancies to take responsibility for players who should be playing on both sides of the puck anyways.

Does Zettiberg or Datsyuk play with defensive guys? Does Alfi? Does Hossa? Do any of the top guys in the league play with guys who are defensivly responsible, no, because the top guys in the league are defensivily resposible and produce at the same time.

Look at Perry and Getzlaf, they both get their points, but defense does suffer from it and their offense doesnt suffer because of theit defense. We have 2 of the highest paid guys in the league playing on that top line, they should be doing it all.

Well, Alfie is defensively responsible, so is Fisher. Heatley is getting there, Spezza...give it more time, but he's getting there. Vermette is, but he can't score, McAmmond is and he can score when given the minutes and the space, Heatley and Spezz would give the opportunity and the space...it could work.

McAmmond doest play well in space, he uses his speed to create chances. Dean is not a good fit up there for 2 guys who like to have the puck. Anyways, they need a guy who is a right handed shot and can 1 time the puck.

Vandelay wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

I was thinking the same thing, reuniting vermette and kelly but then we're left with no center for the fourth line.  The other option is putting vermette on the fourth line but that doesn't make any sense.

We're stacked with Centers, we have too many.

Spezza, Foligno, Kelly, Vermette, McAmmond, Fisher.

It should be Kelly or McAmmond on the 4th, but I'd like to see McAmmond on the top line as a winger if possible...if not, leave him at 4th line center...he gets paid nothing...that makes some sense for sure.

SensGirl11 wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

I was thinking the same thing, reuniting vermette and kelly but then we're left with no center for the fourth line.  The other option is putting vermette on the fourth line but that doesn't make any sense.

We're stacked with Centers, we have too many.

Spezza, Foligno, Kelly, Vermette, McAmmond, Fisher.

It should be Kelly or McAmmond on the 4th, but I'd like to see McAmmond on the top line as a winger if possible...if not, leave him at 4th line center...he gets paid nothing...that makes some sense for sure.

Oh, didn't realize Foligno can play center as well.

I think Donovan can center as well if I'm not mistaken.

Let's see how Foligno fits.

Vandelay wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

I was thinking the same thing, reuniting vermette and kelly but then we're left with no center for the fourth line. The other option is putting vermette on the fourth line but that doesn't make any sense.

We're stacked with Centers, we have too many.

Spezza, Foligno, Kelly, Vermette, McAmmond, Fisher.

It should be Kelly or McAmmond on the 4th, but I'd like to see McAmmond on the top line as a winger if possible...if not, leave him at 4th line center...he gets paid nothing...that makes some sense for sure.

Oh, didn't realize Foligno can play center as well.

Yeah, I didn't think Foligno played center either... hmm...

Foligno was a center in junior

Vandelay wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:How come Foligno's getting a chance on the top line when he's a -100? We need a defensively sound guy on that line. I really think that Deano is that guy, I say you give him a chance before you give Foligno the chance...am I wrong? Deano can skate like the wind, he can score when given the chance, and he's very defensively sound...it only makes sense to me that he's the guy...unless I'm missing something...I don't think so though.

I was thinking the same thing, reuniting vermette and kelly but then we're left with no center for the fourth line.  The other option is putting vermette on the fourth line but that doesn't make any sense.

We're stacked with Centers, we have too many.

Spezza, Foligno, Kelly, Vermette, McAmmond, Fisher.

It should be Kelly or McAmmond on the 4th, but I'd like to see McAmmond on the top line as a winger if possible...if not, leave him at 4th line center...he gets paid nothing...that makes some sense for sure.

Oh, didn't realize Foligno can play center as well.

That's his natural position believe it or not, and he's WAY better as a center than a winger.

I do believe that those 2 highlight reel goals by Foligno this year, was when he was playing 3rd line center.

SensGirl11 wrote:I do believe that those 2 highlight reel goals by Foligno this year, was when he was playing 3rd line center.

I stand corrected.

I'm a little bummed about that, but on the other hand, glad. You NEVER hear this guy whine about his ice-time or not playing his natural position (Schubert, I'm talking about you). I just keep liking this kid more and more.