Hartsburg does line shuffle... AGAIN

rooneypoo wrote:

Snuh wrote:

I agree. Due to his contract he can't be sent down without going through waivers first. So rotate him between lines 3 and 4 so he won't get worn out by the much longer NHL schedule that he's not used to. give him some time on the 2nd PP unit and see what he can do on the PK as well. Stick with that and I think it'll help his development a lot.

Just a quick correction: based on my reading of the CBA, Winchester CAN be sent down to the minors without having to pass through waivers. He was 24 when he signed his first (two-way, 1 year, March 2008) and second (one-way, 2 years, May 2008) deals. From what I can tell of article 13.4, that means that he's exempt from waivers until the end of this season or until he plays 60 NHL games.

However, because it's a two-way deal, we'd have to pay him his full salary in the minors, and I think that factor alone -- to saw nothing of his solid play -- means he stays with the big club.

Winchester has been one of our steadiest players. People who point to the lack of goals and assists aren't paying attention to the little things he brings. He skates hard, competes, is reasonably physical, and dominates on the boards. I don't think this demotion is necessarily a bad thing -- in fact, I think he'll play a great 4th line shift for us -- but to say that he's not been steady for us for a rookie of 9 games is ridonkulous.

rooneypoo wrote:

Snuh wrote:

I agree. Due to his contract he can't be sent down without going through waivers first. So rotate him between lines 3 and 4 so he won't get worn out by the much longer NHL schedule that he's not used to. give him some time on the 2nd PP unit and see what he can do on the PK as well. Stick with that and I think it'll help his development a lot.

Just a quick correction: based on my reading of the CBA, Winchester CAN be sent down to the minors without having to pass through waivers. He was 24 when he signed his first (two-way, 1 year, March 2008) and second (one-way, 2 years, May 2008) deals. From what I can tell of article 13.4, that means that he's exempt from waivers until the end of this season or until he plays 60 NHL games.

However, because it's a two-way deal, we'd have to pay him his full salary in the minors, and I think that factor alone -- to saw nothing of his solid play -- means he stays with the big club.

Winchester has been one of our steadiest players. People who point to the lack of goals and assists aren't paying attention to the little things he brings. He skates hard, competes, is reasonably physical, and dominates on the boards. I don't think this demotion is necessarily a bad thing -- in fact, I think he'll play a great 4th line shift for us -- but to say that he's not been steady for us for a rookie of 9 games is ridonkulous.

hemlock34 wrote:

Tukker wrote:

hemlock34 wrote:Of the approximately 23,985 line combinations we've seen over the past year or so, why are we not seeing Vermette at centre somewhere? Vermette played centre for a stretch late last year and it was probably the best he's played in a Sens uni. He's more comfortable there and his skill is better served down the middle. Fisher's game is more suited to the wing and I don't give a rusty Diddle if he has never done it before. Not like his production can get any worse.

Apparently he's not *comfortable* at wing. Unbelievable :x

Vermette is too, but he's doing it. For less money I might add. For $4.2 million cap hit, play where the coach says. Sell the concessions if that's what it takes for God sakes.

On second thought, maybe ought to tell him that God wants him to switch to the wing. I'm sure he'd do it then

Tukker wrote:

hemlock34 wrote:

Tukker wrote:

hemlock34 wrote:Of the approximately 23,985 line combinations we've seen over the past year or so, why are we not seeing Vermette at centre somewhere? Vermette played centre for a stretch late last year and it was probably the best he's played in a Sens uni. He's more comfortable there and his skill is better served down the middle. Fisher's game is more suited to the wing and I don't give a rusty Diddle if he has never done it before. Not like his production can get any worse.

Apparently he's not *comfortable* at wing. Unbelievable :x

Vermette is too, but he's doing it. For less money I might add. For $4.2 million cap hit, play where the coach says. Sell the concessions if that's what it takes for God sakes.

On second thought, maybe ought to tell him that God wants him to switch to the wing. I'm sure he'd do it then

that's.... just....wrong :lol!:

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:However, because it's a two-way deal, we'd have to pay him his full salary in the minors, and I think that factor alone -- to saw nothing of his solid play -- means he stays with the big club.

I thought that was only for one-way deals?

hemlock34 wrote:

What? That's the point of a two way deal. One salary for the NHL and one for the minors. If his deal is two way, we wouldn't have to pay him his full NHL salary in Bingo as far as I understand.

rooneypoo wrote:

hemlock34 wrote:

What? That's the point of a two way deal. One salary for the NHL and one for the minors. If his deal is two way, we wouldn't have to pay him his full NHL salary in Bingo as far as I understand.

See my previous post. Winchester is on a 1-way deal.

b33f wrote:To be honest, I kinda like the moving of Winchester.

McAmmond and Donovan have made good use of their limited time. I see it as a reward to them as opposed to a demotion for Jesse.

hemlock34 wrote:Of the approximately 23,985 line combinations we've seen over the past year or so, why are we not seeing Vermette at centre somewhere? Vermette played centre for a stretch late last year and it was probably the best he's played in a Sens uni. He's more comfortable there and his skill is better served down the middle. Fisher's game is more suited to the wing and I don't give a rusty Diddle if he has never done it before. Not like his production can get any worse.

504Heater wrote:

hemlock34 wrote:Of the approximately 23,985 line combinations we've seen over the past year or so, why are we not seeing Vermette at centre somewhere? Vermette played centre for a stretch late last year and it was probably the best he's played in a Sens uni. He's more comfortable there and his skill is better served down the middle. Fisher's game is more suited to the wing and I don't give a rusty Diddle if he has never done it before. Not like his production can get any worse.

Are you sure the line that literally got us into the playoffs wasn't Vermette - Fisher - Stillman? I'm pretty sure it was.

b33f wrote:To be honest, I kinda like the moving of Winchester.

McAmmond and Donovan have made good use of their limited time. I see it as a reward to them as opposed to a demotion for Jesse.

504Heater wrote:

b33f wrote:To be honest, I kinda like the moving of Winchester.

McAmmond and Donovan have made good use of their limited time. I see it as a reward to them as opposed to a demotion for Jesse.

Yet another excellent point. Is this really a demotion? Playing with Fisher and Vermette doesn't sound like the cat's meow right now. Playing with McAmmond and Donovan kinda does.

As long as he doesn't average 5 minutes of ice time, I might be okay with this (for now).

hemlock34 wrote:
No I'm thinking when Vermette played with Heatley at one point. I can't remember the other winger, but I remember those two playing well together. Vermette really stood out.

Also, I think you are thinking of the Stillman-Kelly-Vermette line that did so well after the trade with Carolina

hemlock34 wrote:
Maybe it's a sign that Hartsburg is going to give the 3 of them more, based on performance. At this point, we need to ride whomever is hot.

504Heater wrote:

hemlock34 wrote:
No I'm thinking when Vermette played with Heatley at one point. I can't remember the other winger, but I remember those two playing well together. Vermette really stood out.

Also, I think you are thinking of the Stillman-Kelly-Vermette line that did so well after the trade with Carolina

I swear...in April, when Vermette was the top point producing player in the league (5 points in 3 games), was it not Vermette - Fisher - Stillman?

MurderOnIce wrote:
Schaeffer had great hands (remember the goal he scored that he flipped the puck in the air for?). He had unbelievable hands, his problem was the first option was head to the boards. That is why he was never used on the shootout, the coach was afraid he would head to the corner with the puck