2018 NHL Entry Draft

Flo The Action wrote:

22_4_ever wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:
I wouldn’t say that. Again, it’s evaluation vs evaluation. I don’t think Tkachuk pans out into a first line player or even second liner but some of those admen could be #2,3 guys.
I agree with you that Dmen can come out in later stages but do we really have any of them in the prospect pool? I’m not sure. Best case after chabot is #4,5 guys. 
Anyways, build from the back end and then get forwards. Karlsson is likely gone anyways.

God I miss talking hockey.  I took a role in an organization and had to step away from boards like this.  I've since moved on and now I get to voice my opinion.  Your points are valid.   It really comes down to how you view our d corps.  I think we're good.  I really think Crawford did the dmen a disservice this year, and as a result Harpur, Claesson, and some might argue Ceci suffered as a result.  

I'm betting under a change in coaches, or at least a change in coaching philosophy Harpur, and Claesson regain the promise we had 2 years ago, and Wolanin is showing signs of being a 2/3 player in a couple of years.  If you keep Karlsson then you have 5 there and can fill in your 6/7 guys from free agency with minimal expense.  

I full expect Gaborik to be bought out this year so cap room will be at a premium, and while I hope that Brown will step in, he certainly has the skills, but there are HUGE!!! issues with his maturity.  He is very close to having worn out his welcome, and he's literally on the verge of being traded out of Ottawa if there are not significant changes with his attitude.  

Good news is Batherson and Forementon both look like NHLers.

So the question is does Ottawa believe in Harpur, Claesson, and Wolanin and if not then you're right a dman it likely will be.  If either RW drops to 4 then they have to take him, and then maybe push Ryan to the left side??  I think both Zadina and Svechnikov can start in the NHL next year.  

No matter what, Dorion has said he's not making a move on Karlsson until after July 1st...so based on what they do at the draft it will tell you how close negotiations are.

Issues with Brown and his maturity? Care to give us a run down on that point?

Flo The Action wrote:

22_4_ever wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:
I wouldn’t say that. Again, it’s evaluation vs evaluation. I don’t think Tkachuk pans out into a first line player or even second liner but some of those admen could be #2,3 guys.
I agree with you that Dmen can come out in later stages but do we really have any of them in the prospect pool? I’m not sure. Best case after chabot is #4,5 guys. 
Anyways, build from the back end and then get forwards. Karlsson is likely gone anyways.

God I miss talking hockey.  I took a role in an organization and had to step away from boards like this.  I've since moved on and now I get to voice my opinion.  Your points are valid.   It really comes down to how you view our d corps.  I think we're good.  I really think Crawford did the dmen a disservice this year, and as a result Harpur, Claesson, and some might argue Ceci suffered as a result.  

I'm betting under a change in coaches, or at least a change in coaching philosophy Harpur, and Claesson regain the promise we had 2 years ago, and Wolanin is showing signs of being a 2/3 player in a couple of years.  If you keep Karlsson then you have 5 there and can fill in your 6/7 guys from free agency with minimal expense.  

I full expect Gaborik to be bought out this year so cap room will be at a premium, and while I hope that Brown will step in, he certainly has the skills, but there are HUGE!!! issues with his maturity.  He is very close to having worn out his welcome, and he's literally on the verge of being traded out of Ottawa if there are not significant changes with his attitude.  

Good news is Batherson and Forementon both look like NHLers.

So the question is does Ottawa believe in Harpur, Claesson, and Wolanin and if not then you're right a dman it likely will be.  If either RW drops to 4 then they have to take him, and then maybe push Ryan to the left side??  I think both Zadina and Svechnikov can start in the NHL next year.  

No matter what, Dorion has said he's not making a move on Karlsson until after July 1st...so based on what they do at the draft it will tell you how close negotiations are.

Issues with Brown and his maturity? Care to give us a run down on that point?

22_4_ever wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:
I wouldn’t say that. Again, it’s evaluation vs evaluation. I don’t think Tkachuk pans out into a first line player or even second liner but some of those admen could be #2,3 guys.
I agree with you that Dmen can come out in later stages but do we really have any of them in the prospect pool? I’m not sure. Best case after chabot is #4,5 guys. 
Anyways, build from the back end and then get forwards. Karlsson is likely gone anyways.

God I miss talking hockey.  I took a role in an organization and had to step away from boards like this.  I've since moved on and now I get to voice my opinion.  Your points are valid.   It really comes down to how you view our d corps.  I think we're good.  I really think Crawford did the dmen a disservice this year, and as a result Harpur, Claesson, and some might argue Ceci suffered as a result.  

I'm betting under a change in coaches, or at least a change in coaching philosophy Harpur, and Claesson regain the promise we had 2 years ago, and Wolanin is showing signs of being a 2/3 player in a couple of years.  If you keep Karlsson then you have 5 there and can fill in your 6/7 guys from free agency with minimal expense.  

I full expect Gaborik to be bought out this year so cap room will be at a premium, and while I hope that Brown will step in, he certainly has the skills, but there are HUGE!!! issues with his maturity.  He is very close to having worn out his welcome, and he's literally on the verge of being traded out of Ottawa if there are not significant changes with his attitude.  

Good news is Batherson and Forementon both look like NHLers.

So the question is does Ottawa believe in Harpur, Claesson, and Wolanin and if not then you're right a dman it likely will be.  If either RW drops to 4 then they have to take him, and then maybe push Ryan to the left side??  I think both Zadina and Svechnikov can start in the NHL next year.  

No matter what, Dorion has said he's not making a move on Karlsson until after July 1st...so based on what they do at the draft it will tell you how close negotiations are.

Lagoon wrote:

22_4_ever wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:
I wouldn’t say that. Again, it’s evaluation vs evaluation. I don’t think Tkachuk pans out into a first line player or even second liner but some of those admen could be #2,3 guys.
I agree with you that Dmen can come out in later stages but do we really have any of them in the prospect pool? I’m not sure. Best case after chabot is #4,5 guys. 
Anyways, build from the back end and then get forwards. Karlsson is likely gone anyways.

God I miss talking hockey.  I took a role in an organization and had to step away from boards like this.  I've since moved on and now I get to voice my opinion.  Your points are valid.   It really comes down to how you view our d corps.  I think we're good.  I really think Crawford did the dmen a disservice this year, and as a result Harpur, Claesson, and some might argue Ceci suffered as a result.  

I'm betting under a change in coaches, or at least a change in coaching philosophy Harpur, and Claesson regain the promise we had 2 years ago, and Wolanin is showing signs of being a 2/3 player in a couple of years.  If you keep Karlsson then you have 5 there and can fill in your 6/7 guys from free agency with minimal expense.  

I full expect Gaborik to be bought out this year so cap room will be at a premium, and while I hope that Brown will step in, he certainly has the skills, but there are HUGE!!! issues with his maturity.  He is very close to having worn out his welcome, and he's literally on the verge of being traded out of Ottawa if there are not significant changes with his attitude.  

Good news is Batherson and Forementon both look like NHLers.

So the question is does Ottawa believe in Harpur, Claesson, and Wolanin and if not then you're right a dman it likely will be.  If either RW drops to 4 then they have to take him, and then maybe push Ryan to the left side??  I think both Zadina and Svechnikov can start in the NHL next year.  

No matter what, Dorion has said he's not making a move on Karlsson until after July 1st...so based on what they do at the draft it will tell you how close negotiations are.

I was disappointed today to hear the coaches were staying, but I do expect a short leash. I too, like Dorion said today, believe this year was a one-off and think that Karlsson’s rehab from injury, Wideman and Boro getting hurt, killed us more than anyone gives those losses credit. I think we will be a playoff team by simply changing nothing except adding our youth and better player deployment. I’m looking at you Burrows, Gaborik, and basically everything Boucher did wrong as well.
I think Zadina may fall to us if Carolina or Montreal see Tkachuk as their saviour. Again, he’s good, but context should be given with him and taking him before Svechnikov and Zadina is a mistake in my opinion. Without downplaying Tkachuk too much because he is good, he is basically Tom Wilson but much much faster. Us taking him at 4, that’s another story for my eventual mock.
And yeah, Batherson is heading to the QMJHL finals and would love to see him in the Memorial Cup. Formenton, I can’t see how he doesn’t make the Sens again next season. Unless they want him to try and Luchuk the OHL next year. My guess is the youth movement is here.

Lagoon wrote:I don’t think it will be a completely green lineup, we still have our regulars. It will just be void of the Thompson’s, Oduya’s, Dumont’s and Gaborik’s. Those spots will know be taken by internal youth. I don’t expect any free agent signings is what I’m saying I guess. We have the players we need. I should clarify that Wideman counts as someone we need. I’d even resign Pääjärvi for cheap.

Lagoon wrote:Oh for sure. I’m just saying as I see it now and with my thoughts that Karlsson will be here until at least the trade deadline of 2019.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Lagoon wrote:Oh for sure. I’m just saying as I see it now and with my thoughts that Karlsson will be here until at least the trade deadline of 2019.

We have had this argument before. There is no Karlsson is with Ottawa at the trade deadline. If he is injured or if anything were to happen we would get nothing for him in a trade. If he is traded to a contender they would not give up anyone good off their roster which limits any return to futures which would likely be high draft picks.

Karlsson will not start the season without a contract. If he does he will not be a Senator for long. There is no way the Sens risk losing him for nothing. In the off-season makes the most sense where there is no chance he gets injured and the team he gets traded to gets a full year out of him.

Lagoon wrote:Seriously, what’s the point of drafting Tkachuk if Wilson can get suspended for a hit like that?